Ace's Scorekeeper Caught Manipulating Stats

[RABID FAN]

The Amarillo Announcer Caught The Ace's Scorekeeper Calling Errors Hits Causing Improper Earned Runs. Hmmmm? A Not So Hidden Agenda?

[retiredman111]

What is the source of this? I heard a rumor among Coyote fans the other day but no one was sure. Was he/she fired or what?

[preeths]

Who caught them and what happened? Without those details, this looks more like gossip than truth.

[RABID FAN]

Check W/ People Involved. It Does Sound Like Gossip, Until You Hear For Yourself.if I Saw Someone Shoot JFK, Do I Have To Prove It For The Rest Of The World'S CURIOUSITY ?

[preeths]

You have to do better than that. Give us some names.

[RABID FAN]

read the oringinal e-mail-- I don't know their names just what thay did in the game in question.

[preeths]

How do you know?

[RABID FAN]

I listened to the game and heard errors announced. I talked to a player on the Dillas after the game. I asked why the earned runs and errors and hits were different after the game. The player told me that the dillas announcer was going to go to the league about it. Not gossip .I keep score during the games sometimes, like people used to do many years ago. Things just did not add up.Thank you for this place to have a dialogue like this.

[Scooterman]

I go to games at Bringhurst, and I don't think the scorer has a hiden agenda I think he is just an idiot who can't score a ball game. He gets the glaring errors but usually gives the benefit of the doubt to the hitter. I have seen it go both ways. Just last night there was a couple of plays that could have been scored either way and they were scored as hits. But it went for both teams. What you have to remember is that an anouncer on the radio is paid to be a HOMER!

[Thorp]

A radio announcer has his hands full with his job. There should be a score keeper that has previous knowledge of the game and scoring. This could be the reason why the era's are too high and the batting ave. are too high. Bad score keeping can kill these young mens careers.

[RABID FAN]

Amen THORP .NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE TO SAID . I HOPE TO ATTACK AN ANNOUNCER FOR INTEGRTITY WILL STOP MASQUERADING AS WISDOM .

[Scooterman]

But it is ok to attack a score keeper, who is probaly a volunteer? Score keeping is not an exact science, sometimes 2 people will score a play differently. For example, a centerfielder runs full speed for a considerable distance to put a glove on the ball, but still misses it. I may see this player play everyday and know that he makes that play 9 out of 10 times, I charge him an error. You on the other hand have never seen the player play a game, you give the hitter a hit, because you feel like the centerfielder made an exceptional effort just to get close to the ball. Who scored it the right way?

[Thorp]

Score keeping is not an exact science,but the rules do state that if the mentioned outfielder missed the ball,that is an error. If a pitcher allows a batter to hit and get on base,then on a 3rd baseman's error the runner scores,is it an earned run or a error on the 3rd baseman?

[DillasVoice]

Ok, well that didn't happen.

Sometimes, if a play is initially called an error or a hit, the parties involved (both managers) can agree that the play should be changed and it can be sent into the league to be changed for stats.

As far as the Alexandria scorekeeper manipulating stats, it wasn't happening. The announcer can suggest things, but the scorekeeper has final word. Usually, he/she will ask everyone in the booth if it is an error/hit, etc.

The Alexandria scorekeeper did nothing wrong.

[Thorp]

This pitcher had the unearned run called as an overthrow on the 3rd baseman,and it ended up on the stat results as an earned run. I had called in the results and our management team agreed with the unearned call also. You shouldn't beable to change the stats so easily.

[RABID FAN]

Thorp, You Are Right Again. No Matter What Scrooterman Says, The Truth Is The Truth.

[Scooterman]

Score keeping is not an exact science,but the rules do state that if the mentioned outfielder missed the ball,that is an error. If a pitcher allows a batter to hit and get on base,then on a 3rd baseman's error the runner scores,is it an earned run or a error on the 3rd baseman?

In that case you would have to charge the 3rd baseman with an error, but in the senario I laid out the rules of baseball also make allowances for extra effort. If a player makes an extraordinary effot (running a very long way and diving to put a glove on the ball) he will genarally not be charged with an error. Otherwise players would never give extra effort to make a play in fear of ruining thier stats and a chance to advance thier carrers, and isn't that what this whole conversation has been about?

[DillasVoice]

Listen, the original point was that someone made up that the Aces' scorekeeper was manipulating stats. He wasn't...not to mention that he's one of the best scorekeepers in the league.

He wasn't manipulating the stats. Bottom line.

As far as errors and hits, sometimes scorekeepers screw up and players get hosed. But most of the time, it's scored correctly. The players shouldn't be worried about earned runs and unearned runs after the games, they should just go out there and do the best they can. There's only so much they can control.

[Fells]

I work for a couple of ESPN Radio stations in Vermont, and from being in the booth for Vermont Lake Monster games, I have seen just how inexact of a science scoring is. One night before I did some fill-in PA duty for the team, I asked the official scorer what goes into his decisions. He went on a long, and educational discussion about if a player could have made a play with reasonable effort, how he scores the difference between a passed ball and a wild pitch, etc, and it started confusing the heck out of me. I swear, there are times I see the guy flipping a coin in his head on a call because it can go either way. Scoring is all about judgement and at times is not easy to do.

[retiredman111]

Scorekeeping involves "scorekeeper judgement" quite often in the rules. If you follow the majors--in particular Utley's hitting streak, some are suggesting that he is getting help from the scorekeeper there.

Often at independent ball, the scorekeeper may be a volunteer, or paid less than minimun wage and not have a full knowledge of the game. Is there a class or internet sight for them to improve their skills?