Odessa Roughnecks Online Fan Club

[Roughnecks Fan]

Let's have an agreement to just ignore TVV, no matter what. I don't know about ya'll, but I love exchanging tidbits of news, etc. about our favorite team. Any news, etc.? I think the loss is a good reality check for the guys, and they will be less likely to stumble in the playoffs. I like our new back up quarterback. Jones is great also, but I hope we get to see the other guy get to play some, too. Any thoughts?

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Let's have an agreement to just ignore TVV, no matter what. I don't know about ya'll, but I love exchanging tidbits of news, etc. about our favorite team. Any news, etc.? I think the loss is a good reality check for the guys, and they will be less likely to stumble in the playoffs. I like our new back up quarterback. Jones is great also, but I hope we get to see the other guy get to play some, too. Any thoughts?kewl !!!!!!!!!

[preeths]

Any changes forthcoming on the defense? That seems to be the problem this year, though with one loss, not that big of a problem. The team enjoyed a tremendous run.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I haven't heard about any new defensive players coming in. My fear, all season, has been that the Roughnecks seem to be willing to rely on their offense to outscore their opponents. It does seem like we have had a defensive drop off from last year. I can't point to a single simple weakness, but it is worrisome.

[Permianman]

Looks like they are making a few changes defensively. I think they may have signed Tim Norman (Former Texas Tech DB).

[Roughnecks Fan]

That would be great. I remember Norman playing at Tech. He is a go getter!

[phydeaux72]

The offense has been on fire all season. It's the defense that needs work. In my opinion, the defense isn't bad. It just has some weak spots. It's very strong up the middle. But they need to shore up the corners. There's no reason why the rufnex should lose a game when they are scoring 63 points. But the weak outside defense just isn't getting the job done.

They could also use a little fine tuning on special teams.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

It is what it is.

[Roughnecks Fan]

Joey Robinson is out with a sprained knee and Ahmad Childress is out with a strained calf for tonight's game, so we'll get to see some new faces. I haven't heard anything else about us signing Tim Norman from Tech.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Joey Robinson is out with a sprained knee and Ahmad Childress is out with a strained calf for tonight's game, so we'll get to see some new faces. I haven't heard anything else about us signing Tim Norman from Tech.Childress wouldnt make any difference if he were healthy. He's a boy in a man's body. Expect him to push a fan soon too.

[preeths]

TVV, do you have anything good to say or any further decent input for this Roughnecks thread?

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

m'friend, that was a fair accessment of Childress based on several more weeks of watching him than anyone in Odessa has benefited from.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I hate to say anything for fear of revving up TVV, but is anyone else getting an uneasy feeling after tonight's game? I know we won 67-60, but several of us diehard fans certainly got the impression that there was a clear lack of intensity on the part of our guys.

[Permianman]

Don't start with that lack of intensity stuff. Coach Thompson was without 4 of his normal defensive starters (that is half of the unit) due to injury and whatever intensity was missing in the first half sure did get going in the second half. The offense scored 45 points in the second half.

[Permianman]

Besides this is not the first close win versus a lesser opponent this season. We have even been in fights with San Angelo this year. Let's just hurry up and get to the playoffs. How many times do you expect the guys to get revved up for Laredo?

[Permianman]

Lets also not forget that it was probably a shock for Tommy Jones in the first half realizing that Derin Graham (injured-WR) was not on the field.

[roughian]

Missing starters to injury and seeing the defense that was on the field walking around like they are totally unmotivated are two totally seperate things.

But hey...

1. Odessa has already clinched a playoff spot.

2. They no longer have to worry about the undefeated season.

3. The Lobos are a last place team.

4. They were coming off a week were they had a few extra days off.

5. They are at the end of a season, but still have almost a month until the playoffs begin.

I bet there are quite a few professional teams that would have a "let down" in these circumstances.

[Permianman]

Who looked unmotivated....Blakely, Sapa, Dawson??? They looked like they were getting after it (and the QB) pretty hard all night. Maybe the DB's looked unmotivated because they were getting beaten so badly...I'll give you that. But the only one out there with any playing time in a few weeks was Thompson. Who made some good plays. I think two interceptions. No Mills, Robinson, Pickett, or Childress still made the difference to me. And like I said we have played close games all year. And besides the last two home games I saw looked pretty good on defense when all those guys were healthy.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

unmotivated? Blakely?? thee's a shocker!!!

[Permianman]

TVV...I am done with the back and forth with you because it does me no good. Let me ask you a serious question though. How do you explain a blowout loss versus a team that you just played close with? After you replace a number of the old players with new ones from the new coach? If you step back and really look at this you will see that you are going to have to suffer thru some loses (close and blowouts) to get your team back to normal. Part of the expansion process. Regardless of what you think your team truly is no better off today than it was a month ago. Losing to South Georgia or Birmingham or both is not going to help you explain your case either.

[B-Real]

Hey TVV, What did you think of the brawl that went on at the end of the Viper game? Looks like your coach has a discipline with his team. I also heard that the players and coaches were really getting after each other on the bench during the game. Sounds like a mutiny in the ranks. Any comments?

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Since i didn't personally witness the game, allow me to attend to the coaches' show late this evening and then I'll comment accordingly. You guys will find it refreshing to get some straight answers, no doubt.

[Roughnecks Fan]

Back to the Roughnecks...I don't know guys. All year, I have just had the sense that we are missing the "killer" instinct we had last year. I hope we go all the way, but I just am a little worried. I guess I would like to see us blow someone out so our guys will know what it feels like.

[Roughnecks Fan]

BTW, did anybody else think it was funny that in the player cards give-away, they had a card for Schneider, but not for Jones? What's up with that?

[Permianman]

Roughneckfan...I thought that the guys blew out Corpus in the last home game(70-34).

[Roughnecks Fan]

OK, you got me there. Maybe I am just getting paranoid.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Since i didn't personally witness the game, allow me to attend to the coaches' show late this evening and then I'll comment accordingly. You guys will find it refreshing to get some straight answers, no doubt.
The infighting was between one of our players thrown out of the game and the balance of our player son the filed. NOT ON THE BENCH. That player had just defended another one of our players who'd just taken a helmet to the back after the play was called dead.

The "fight" was 3 Quad City players plowing into our QB against the wall after a play was dead. The game was called w/ 13 seconds left, and they were all hugging and shaking hands immediately thereafter.

As of today, only one of Chris Wms former players has even a chance of making our 2007 training camp.

[roughian]

BTW, did anybody else think it was funny that in the player cards give-away, they had a card for Schneider, but not for Jones? What's up with that?

I was EXTREMELY disappointed in the cards. I have last years cards signed by the players and in a frame with my other Roughnecks stuff. This year they gave us mostly linemen?!? Don't get me wrong, like having the linemen cards, but would have liked to have a few to go along with them: Tommy Jones, Derin Graham, Larry Thompson, De'Wayne Hogan, even Ezequiel Arevalo! Joel Babb and Anthony Armstrong were given in smaller sets earlier in the year, but what about these other guys, the heart of the team?!?

They even had a Chris Williams card and he's only been back for what, a month?

I would like to keep one thing from each season that goes "on the shelf" to be kept. No, they will never be worth anything, but they are important to me. Year 1: Skipper's 4th of July, game-worn jersey, Year 2: seven signed cards that are in a small frame. Year 3 I wanted to do the cards again, but looks like I'll have to find something else.

Definately disappointed.

[Permianman]

Thanks for the straight answer TVV. But I don't want to get into how many of CW's former players have a chance. I do know that Torrey Day can play. So can Primus, Blanchard and Adelekan. That is four good ones and I don't even know them all. But that is water under the bridge who really cares. What I do also know is that you have to be realistic about what it will take to get TV back to normal. It will be a long haul no matter how you look at or who the coach is.

[Roughnecks Fan]

The real collector's item for this season will be the Coach Espo bobblehead if they really do give them away at the last game. LOL

[roughian]

The real collector's item for this season will be the Coach Espo bobblehead if they really do give them away at the last game. LOL

Somehow I doubt that they will be giving those out. LOL

Will be interesting to see if they have a Williams bobblehead ready though.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Somehow I doubt that they will be giving those out. LOL

Will be interesting to see if they have a Williams bobblehead ready though.
great!! send me a WMs bobblehead!! I've plans for it !!!

[phydeaux72]

The real collector's item for this season will be the Coach Espo bobblehead if they really do give them away at the last game. LOL

Had a meeting with Tommy Benezio last week. There will be no bobblehead giveaway this season, unfortunately. He wasn't for sure if they were going to have some kind of giveaway in its place, but said it was highly unlikely at this point in the season.

great!! send me a WMs bobblehead!! I've plans for it !!!

I have a pretty good idea what you could do with it too...

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

I have a pretty good idea what you could do with it too...

now, Fido, I'm being nice. You should too.

[Permianman]

TVV...I am proud of you. It's about time you made manly plans for someones bobblehead!

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

well, I had hoped for a gary patterson bobble even tho i dont have the forklift necessary to handle it.

[Roughnecks Fan]

Now I am crushed. LOL I wanted my Coach Espo bobblehead. Life isn't worth living.

[RUFFNECKER]

I believe the D. Graham, T. Jones and others cards were given out in previous games. I am not sure why they were not included in the bunch given out this past weekend. I also enjoy collecting things from the team. I know I have a T. Jones and D. Graham card from Chick-Fil-A.

[Carrottop2386]

I want a Blakely booty-shakin bobblehead.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I am with you, Carrot top. That is the best idea anyone has had for a keepsake of the season.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

The best bobble is ALWAYS a mascot bobblehead.

[Carrottop2386]

The best bobble is ALWAYS a mascot bobblehead.
I don't know. There's just something about Digger.

[Roughnecks Fan]

We got our Digger bobbleheads last year. I love the Blakely booty shaker idea.

[Roughnecks Fan]

One nice thing about our league, at least we know who is playing whom. Have ya'll checked out the NIFL playoff fiasco? Thank goodness Tommy pulled us out of that league.

[Carrottop2386]

One nice thing about our league, at least we know who is playing whom. Have ya'll checked out the NIFL playoff fiasco? Thank goodness Tommy pulled us out of that league.
Oh yeah I heard from someone something like one team made the playoffs but decided to not play so one team that missed it by losing the last game to that team got to go.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

We can all agree that the Niffle is the ultimate dump.

[Carrottop2386]

We can all agree that the Niffle is the ultimate dump.
Oh yes. I'm happy that we got out of there. I don't see how they keep coming up with expansion team and stuff when they have a horrible rep.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I have heard idle talk that the Amarillo Dusters (afl2) and/or the Katy Copperheads (NIFL) might join the IFL next year. Has anyone else heard any rumors to that effect?

[phydeaux72]

I have heard idle talk that the Amarillo Dusters (afl2) and/or the Katy Copperheads (NIFL) might join the IFL next year. Has anyone else heard any rumors to that effect?

There is about a 90% chance that Katy will be in the IFL next season.

Amarillo is in the af2. Once a team joins the af2, their contractual obligations will not allow them to leave the league unless the team folds. Even then, the af2 would step in and find other ownership. The Amarillo ownership wants to switch back to the IFL, but it doesn't look like there's a very good chance that will happen anytime soon.

Back when the UIF formed, two af2 teams left to join that league. But it didn't happen without a big lawsuit and those two teams had to end up moving the franchises to other cities.

[preeths]

Peoria didn't move. Clarkson moved his franchise by choice, not because of any lawsuit.

[phydeaux72]

Peoria didn't move. Clarkson moved his franchise by choice, not because of any lawsuit.

Maybe it was to another venue then. I was told that there were moves involved.

Bottom line is, it's hard to leave the af2 once you join. It costs a lot to join, it costs a lot to stay, and it costs a lot to leave.

I'm sure you get a lot of bang for your buck in the af2. But there are other stable leagues out there that cost a whole heck of a lot less dough.

[Carrottop2386]

Yeah I hear Katy will be in IFL next season. Supposedly out of the current NIFL teams it has the best Front Office and Onwership and how things run, which is what the IFL is trying to promote. I think Katy would be a great addition to the league.

I would like to see the Dusters come back but like others said it probably won't happen.

Any news on Frisco and Wichita Falls? I thought they were going to be in the IFL this season but things happened and got delayed.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I haven't heard any rumors of any other towns, not even Lubbock or Abilene.

[Carrottop2386]

I haven't heard any rumors of any other towns, not even Lubbock or Abilene.
I hear that Lubbock is saying they will be in the NIFL next year. Whatever they want to do.

Abilene would be great place to have an IFL team.

[Roughnecks Fan]

After the latest NIFL playoff fiasco, there may be quite a number of teams interested in IFL affiliation.

[phydeaux72]

After the latest NIFL playoff fiasco, there may be quite a number of teams interested in IFL affiliation.

The only NIFL team that I honestly believe that we will see in the IFL next season would be Katy. The only other team would be Beaumont, and that's a big MAYBE. They seem to be turning things around there. So, who knows?

I also think we'll see Frisco playing next season as well.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I wonder if the Fayetteville Guard might join the IFL? Sounds like they are fairly well irritated with the NIFL, and Fayetteville isn't that far away.

[preeths]

They are based in Fayetteville, North Carolina, not Fayetteville, Arkansas.

[Carrottop2386]

Hey I was browsing around and have no idea how I came across this. I have never seen or heard anything about it before. Maybe someone here knows. Is it an IFL team in College Station?

http://www.bcsintensefootball.com/

[Roughnecks Fan]

OK, guys. Now I am getting worried. Close game last week...losing to San Angelo this week. What gives?

[B-Real]

Last I heard they had home field advantage rapped up in the playoffs. Sounded like they were letting other people play last night. 7 turnovers in the first half and still have the lead? Sounded to me like the stampede were given two phantom touchdowns at the end of the game to get back in it. Are we ever going to be able to play a game where the refs don't try to make things interesting.

[Carrottop2386]

One we are resting people. How about SA put in their second string the whole game and see who wins. Also, if we were playing that badly and still almost won with the 2nd team, then the other teams are in a world of trouble. Plus we have home field and have not lost at home this year. No need to worry. We are only worried about the playoffs, not the last 2 games against Laredo and SA, who are already done for the season.

[Carrottop2386]

Also, both of Odessa's losses were messed up field goal attempts at the very end of the game where the other team picked up the ball and scored a TD to win.

Bottom line, we should be 12-0.

[roughian]

Hey I was browsing around and have no idea how I came across this. I have never seen or heard anything about it before. Maybe someone here knows. Is it an IFL team in College Station?

http://www.bcsintensefootball.com/

A BCS team? I'll be interested to see how that goes. Aggies are THE thing in that town, can anything else even compare?

[roughian]

Also, both of Odessa's losses were messed up field goal attempts at the very end of the game where the other team picked up the ball and scored a TD to win.

Bottom line, we should be 12-0.

Naw, thats just part of football. We're 10-2, period. I'm fully expecting the Roughnecks to be back to top motivation during the playoffs.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I guess what's worrying me is that sometimes it is hard to turn the intensity back on after gearing down for non-meaningful games. I hope the Roughnecks are able to "psych" up after playing out the string.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Tell me, Preeths, do you burn books too??

[RUFFNECKER]

Nice one Preeths. You do rule!

[Roughnecks Fan]

OK, I am in a better mood. We won.

[Roughnecks Fan]

The Louisiana game was very exciting. I wish more people could have been there. I am still wondering what was going on with the last Roughnecks timeout. Any predictions for the championship game? I'll say Odessa 63, Corpus Christi 49. Go Roughnecks!

[Permianman]

The Roughnecks got the ball back after the interception. Louisiana had 2 timeouts left. The rule inside of 1 minute in a half says that a team must attempt to gain positive yardage or the clock stops.

On 1st down the necks gave the ball to Levron Wiliams. The refs determined that Williams did not attempt to gain positive yards and stopped the clock. Killing Odessa's chance to kill the time after 3rd down. Tommy Jones ran a sneak on 2nd down resulting in a Louisiana timeout. He ran a sneak on 3rd down resulting in Louisiana's second timeout.

With 4.8 seconds the necks have a 4th down. Originally Odessa was going to line up for a FG and let the time expire with the ball in the air. But considering how Louisiana and San Angelo beat them on last play FG blocks picked up and ran in for TD's there was no need to kick since they were up by three. So Odessa called a T.O. so they could explain and instruct Jones to heave one into the air so the clock would run out.

100% the cause of the refs screwing up the one minute rule. Odessa was told after the game that the refs thought you had to gain positive yards. That is incorrect. You must only attempt to gain positive yards.

[Roughnecks Fan]

Thanks for the timeout explanation. Now, it makes sense. One other question. I notice Louisiana was given one point when we downed the ball in the end zone after a Louisiana kickoff. Is that the rule in the IFL?

[Permianman]

Yes. When the return team can't advance out of the endzone on a kick-off the kicking team is given a "bonus point".

[Roughnecks Fan]

OK guys. Let's predict. Odessa by 14.

[roughian]

Hey Roughnecks fans! Now that the season is over, anyone in the Midland/Odessa area interested in a local draft fantasy football league? We're in our 9th year as a league and we are drafting this Sunday (8/27/06) at 5pm.

email me at boonewh@grandecom.net