EIFL Teams

[GLIFL FanClub]

www.eiflfootball.com

Bayshore Brawlers (New Jersey), Hitmen (Ohio), and Three Rivers Rats (PA).

[preeths]

Will be difficult to get any attention in the Mahoning Valley area with the new Youngstown af2 team on the way next year.

[fwp]

Isn't this a Jim Terry fiasco? Or is that another league?

[tony-o]

Isn't this a Jim Terry fiasco? Or is that another league?
Yeah this is the Jim Terry league.

[phydeaux72]

Yeah this is the Jim Terry league.

Call me ignorant. But who is Jim Terry?

[Jamie]

I love the "family friendly" theme they have going...

"hitmen"... "brawlers"...

Bring the kids!

[DestroyersFan]

I love the "family friendly" theme they have going...

"hitmen"... "brawlers"...

Bring the kids!

IMHO I think indoor football would be more successful if it marketed to beer drinkers.

[SignGuyDino]

Call me ignorant. But who is Jim Terry?


O.K. Ignorant... :P

Here you go:

http://sports.tbo.com/sports/MGB7EKH00WD.html

http://prepsports.tbo.com/prepsports/MGBF6V3WZVD.html

http://www.mountainx.com/news/2006/0315football.php

Unfortunately, these types are a dime a dozen.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Call me down right stupid, but I want this league to succeed..While JT is not the owner of the league (thank god) he's a big part of it and he still spreads a lot of crap and all, but I think it would be a big disappointment for the fans and players if this fell through like other teams do year in and year out. The Owner for the Brawlers is a nice guy looking for an opportunity claiming he will "bust his ass off to make this work"

All that being said, OSC, IFF, and the like shouldn't cover this league until a game is played.

For the sake of some fans and players, I hope it works out...Maybe it will....It probably won't.

[fwp]

You have to look at the track record of anything involving Jim Terry and feel for anyone getting involved.

I don't want to see anymore indoor football markets hurt or burned either.

But I'm sorry, this is definitely buyer beware right up front.

[preeths]

Don't hold your breath on this one, folks.

[nksports]

This guy seems like another HP Patterson, CS, Uncle Joe (ABA), the Barton County Community College men's basketball staff (many of which are in jail for fraudulant student loans), the moron-con man who started the AAPBL all wrapped into one slick, but empty package.

As Pink Floyd sang on "The Wall," "Run Like Hell."

[DestroyersFan]

Call me down right stupid, but I want this league to succeed..While JT is not the owner of the league (thank god) he's a big part of it and he still spreads a lot of crap and all, but I think it would be a big disappointment for the fans and players if this fell through like other teams do year in and year out. The Owner for the Brawlers is a nice guy looking for an opportunity claiming he will "bust his ass off to make this work"

All that being said, OSC, IFF, and the like shouldn't cover this league until a game is played.

For the sake of some fans and players, I hope it works out...Maybe it will....It probably won't.

Rumors are that Jim Terry has called sports agencies claiming to be "Jim Michaels" asking for a few hundred dollars to have their logo on the league's website. While JT doesn't own the league, he's seems to have been doing a lot of "league function" since the league was first announced. And given he's now resorted to HP Patterson alias tactics, assuming the league does manage to play it's first game, the groundwork has been set for it to become another example of lies and deceit like other indoor leagues we already have. Yes, "nice guy" owners of other teams, fans, players and sponsers will be victimized. People are going to get hurt, and be shafted innocently out of their money. Fans will lose a team that they wanted to support. That's what happens when people do business unprofessionally. JT could be a genius for all we know, but whatever he is (genius or idiot) it's masked by his history of complete and utter unprofessionalism that doesn't seem to have gone away (unless he legally changed his last name to Michaels).

Honestly I can't believe you gave me the history of this guy, which I then went and researched and found to be spot on truth, after informing us that his team was not the new af2 team, and that we should all hope that it fails, if you're now going to take this new stance.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Well at first I hoped it would fail miserably, but the ONLY (and I mean THE ONLY) reason it would be nice is for the fans and players. They don't deserve to get screwed like they're probably going to be.

Plus the fact that I chat with the Brawlers owner a lot and he seems like he wants to do this right. It'd suck to see a good guy get screwed.

[Jamie]

mvhitmen.com:
On Thursday Mahoning Valley's first pro team will announce our home arena venue, assistant coaches, tryouts and the signing of 2 players.

Its Friday. Still no venue, players or coaches.

Farmer Jim had a team, EIEIO...

[yellowpages]

Well at first I hoped it would fail miserably, but the ONLY (and I mean THE ONLY) reason it would be nice is for the fans and players. They don't deserve to get screwed like they're probably going to be.

Plus the fact that I chat with the Brawlers owner a lot and he seems like he wants to do this right. It'd suck to see a good guy get screwed.

Then I'd suggest he start looking at other leagues if he doesn't want to get screwed. The GLIFL may be a league worth looking at. Not sure how they'd fit into the UIF or PIFL plans but, GLIFL would be a good option.

[GLIFL FanClub]

Well at first I hoped it would fail miserably, but the ONLY (and I mean THE ONLY) reason it would be nice is for the fans and players. They don't deserve to get screwed like they're probably going to be.

Plus the fact that I chat with the Brawlers owner a lot and he seems like he wants to do this right. It'd suck to see a good guy get screwed.

Yeah the Brawlers owner is a real nice guy I also talk to him...Ive talked with him before the Brawlers were thought of...I hope this works, but if it doesnt i think all of the teams in the league should get together and form one of there own.

[Jamie]

I keep hearing what a "nice guy" the Brawlers owner is...

Sounds to me like a patsy... What businessman, with any sense or ethics, would go into business with a known con man? Didn't he do his homework?

[Sykotyk]

Apparantly the "Three Rivers Rats" will play at the Rostraver Ice Arena in Belle Vernon, PA. Which seats probably 1,000 people at most.

Wonder what player pay will be.

Sykotyk

[Jamie]

Wonder what player pay will be.

According to the league manifesto (now removed from the website) there will be no minium pay... just a salary cap.

So, my guess is players make $10 per game and all the hot dogs they can eat.

[preeths]

Owners should figure out very quickly they can't make money in venues like that.

[FreezinRich]

Apparantly the "Three Rivers Rats" will play at the Rostraver Ice Arena in Belle Vernon, PA. Which seats probably 1,000 people at most.
Sykotyk

Wow! That place is awful. I think it seats more than a 1000, but it's waaaaaay outside of Pittsburgh, and has facilities that make Steubenville's arena look like the Taj Mahal. If they play any games, they will draw less than 300 people.

I was really hoping the GLIFL would put a team in the Pittsburgh area -- and preferrably somewhere within the city -- unfortunately, this EIFL nonsense will proabably kill any hope of indoor ball in the 'Burgh. I think a small league can do well here IF it is run well. JT's involvement pretty much rules that out though.

[preeths]

I wouldn't worry about anything being killed in the Pittsburgh area by this. For one, the league may not play at all, meaning no one outside a couple message boards and the arena management will even know about it. I doubt that any credible league is taking this effort seriously.

[GLIFL FanClub]

The Bayshore Brawlers were in local press...

http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/SPORTS/606110458/1002

Its the last article on the bottom.

[preeths]

Oh boy, check out where they'll play - http://www.tabramossportscenter.com/ . Just as we suspected, they're going to use tiny ice arenas and indoor soccer arenas. You can tell by the shot in the upper left that there's almost no seating. With no seating, you can't make money. This looks like more of a rec league.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Their plan is to add seating to the TRSC to make it seat around 700 or so...

[preeths]

That's a plan? They cap your attendance at 700? Let's do the math on this one. If the team sells out (yeah, right) eight games (max) at home, they'll draw 5600 people for the year. If there are no tickets given away (highly unlikely) and people pay an average of $10 per ticket, the team will earn $56,000 for the year from ticket sales. Even with a few friendly sponsorships, how in the world do you pay for a staff and players, not to mention things like rent, those 700 seats/bleachers, equipment, a computer or two, office rent and furniture, etc.? You don't. This will be a semipro effort at best if it ever sees the light of day.

[phydeaux72]

Are you sure this isn't just their practice facility?

[Jamie]

No. That is where they say they will be "playing".

[BarbaraPatterson]

http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/Sports/articles.asp?articleID=5305

WWW.VINDY.COM ( going to http://www.vindy.com/content/local_regional/286371705984870.php )

http://www.wkbn.com/news/sports/3192326.html

I actually wish JT best of luck with this venture.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Wow he's gone so low as to attack the Thunder.

And ticket prices no higher than $12? How the heck does the EIFL plan to pay players $400+ per game??????? I just want this mess to succeed so players and markets dont get burned...

I'm not sure what to think of the "penalty box" idea. Unique but might not work out too well.

[tony-o]

They have a business plan that even makes Shiver, Haines, and Joe Newman laugh. Chances are that they are gonna hang around on the edge of folding for a while and then the free ticket game will put them over the edge.

Here's what kills me though:
Monday, in a news conference at the Golden Corral Buffet and Grill, the eccentric coach and general manager did more than introduce general manager of the Thunderplex, Dave Anderson, as the owner.
You have a news conference at a Golden Corral? The food their is nasty and it's filled with old people, which I hope isn't JT's target audience. People who read the newspaper in the Mahoning Valley (500 people at most) might be a little more interested than the 20 or so senior citizens who were eating at the Golden Carrol.

[Rooster]

Haven't we already established that JT played in one (1) game in the AF2? Now he's telling people he "played" for 9 AF2 squads. At least he isn't passing himself off as an Arena One player anymore. Unbelievable.

A former kicker taking a crack at a volleyball player. I love it!!! "As a player, you hate it when you've spilled your guts for 60 minutes and then have the game come down to a bunch of foreigners," Bill Mass cracking on a missed Al Del Greco field goal opportunity, which after a Manning-lead come back drive, leads to Mike Vanderjagt lining up for what turn out to be the game winner.

Obviously, JT has no business operating a league, a front office, or a team. Hopefully he goes away again..... Golden Corral press conference? The local Panda Wok/Dragon Buffet wasn't available?

[nksports]

Haven't we already established that JT played in one (1) game in the AF2? Now he's telling people he "played" for 9 AF2 squads.

Played for or cut from?

[Firstnten]

I play for the Aberdeen Celtics which has become or "maybe" will become the Bawlers...

After reading all of your posts and links, it does look sketchy...

I can tell you this, whether this works or not the guys who are playing or will be playing, are not playing for money (for the most part) and are committed to winning and playing hard...

IMO it's inconsequential if the league folds our team will stay together and play in a different indoor minor league money or no money....just my two cents...

[Firstnten]

Call me down right stupid, but I want this league to succeed..While JT is not the owner of the league (thank god) he's a big part of it and he still spreads a lot of crap and all, but I think it would be a big disappointment for the fans and players if this fell through like other teams do year in and year out. The Owner for the Brawlers is a nice guy looking for an opportunity claiming he will "bust his ass off to make this work"

All that being said, OSC, IFF, and the like shouldn't cover this league until a game is played.

For the sake of some fans and players, I hope it works out...Maybe it will....It probably won't.
I am assuming that this is the thread Smith was talking about when we wrote this. The is a response to a member of our/the celtics site.

Actually, it will a be regualtion field, 50 x 28, with dasherboards and turf. The venue met league specifications. In regards to the seating, modifications are being discussed within the organization to accomodate the venue. It is in hope that in addition to the skybox lounge which can hold about 100 fans, which will be equiped with closed circuit tv, so skybox patrons can view the game on the lounges big screen and 10 tvs. As well as the view from the skybox. There will also be a Brawlers pit, that will be a standing area, which will vend alcohol. The Pit area is in hope to hold an additional 50 fans, pending the fire Marshal. Also the Brawlers are looking to bring in bleachers to accomodate an additional 450 fans, as well as having an additional standing area, that will hold an additional 50 fans. So we are looking at about 600 fans to our home venues, we are pushing for 700, but we have settled for a realistic number of 600. Why you may ask would we do that? As the majority owner, along with my partners, we all hail from the Bayshore. We wanted to bring football home to the Bayshore. The EIFL is an "independant" professional football league. It is professional because the players will be paid. That criteria for compensation will be decided by General Management and Ownership. It is not the business of the public. That being said, if we plan to pay players, players that will give the fans something to root for, then something has to suffer, that something in the case of the Brawlers, is the venue. This is a league where the focus is on the game. If you want to see glamour, Glitz and big arenas drive to Philly or Long Island. If you want to see good hard nosed football, come to our backyard, have some lemonade and meet Mom. The focus here is on the product. For those of us that played the game, we know what we love about the game, and its what we do on the field, not where we play. The "backyard" is fine for us. We can "dump" money into an arena and fold like all three NIFL teams in the area in the last 3 years did. We can travel, and not play any games at home, like the REV's, which I have a tremendous amount of respect for, but why? Why not play in our own backyard and rely on support from our friends and family, even if the venue isn't great. The key to survival is to survive, that takes frugality. Look around, the AIFL and NIFL folded how many teams this year? Those teams overspent on arenas, and where were the fans? The bottom line is who is gonna pay top dollar to see a bunch of guys, that couldn't make the Bigger Leagues. I am asking you to pay $5, $8, and $12 to come see some good ball players from the Bayshore, that played at places like Pace U, Fordam U , Bryant College, William Patterson U, Moravian College, Monmouth U, Kean U, Montclair ST. U, and Rutgers. I am happy to bring indoor football to NJ. But for now, I am really bringing football to Middlesex, Monmouth and Ocean Counties. If I can draw 700 a game for 6 games in 07, We will see you in 08, which is the goal, survival. Not many teams that have come before us have succeeded. We are trying a new approach. For those that don't like the venue, tell me where in the Bayshore you would like to see us play, then send me the reciept for rent you will be paying. Until then quit being Monday Morning QB's. The Brawlers are "in the game". We may be practice squad, special teamers, but we are in the game. We are taking our shot at it, our way. Come out and see smash mouth heart felt football in 07, if not stay home in front of your computer and write about how you would run a team, if you ever got off your Butt and took a chance, or drive a few hours and root for a team you can't identify with. If we fail, you can say I told you so. Thats fine, but we can say we did it, we can say we tried. That is enough for us. The fans will identify with that. The Brawling begins Jan 07, join the fight to bring indoor football to NJ!!!!!!!!, or just get out the way.

IMO they will get thier 700+ fans, just on famliy and friends alone. Whatever that means...

[TheHulk]

He stated that (they) "should come to our backyard". That's correct EIFL is a rec league plain and simple.

[GLIFL FanClub]

Brawlers write-up...



http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060722/SPORTS/607220442/1002

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Why bother? This is just a poor sap who's been conned by Jim Terry. He's going to make believe that the EIFL will kickoff next year with no issues...

Pathetic.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Looks like the Youngstown folks are not happy...600+ posts on VIndy and now a new petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?hitmen&1

[Firstnten]

Looks like the Youngstown folks are not happy...600+ posts on VIndy and now a new petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?hitmen&1
Wow 24 sigs, at petitions online wich will = nothing...

I have been reading vindy and all your local papers about this guy..

He was on Moohead radio the other day. Almost no one called in to contest this guy. And to make it worse some sackless wonder used a message service to pose a question...

I see allot of tough talk with nothing to back it up. Thats whats pathetic..

If it's a rec league they why worry about it?

[SignGuyDino]

Simple reasons:

1. Fans or players who were screwed by him and his type don't want to see others screwed.

2. His type hurts minor league sports when arena directors are becoming more and more hostile to all of them.

3. Provoking him to demonstrate what a clown he really is.

4. It's fun to watch the carnage.

[GLIFL FanClub]

Battling To Be a Brawler - Brawlers tryout article.

http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060730/SPORTS/607300468&SearchID=73252263728238

[PIONEERSFAN101]

So much for all that stuff on VINDY meaning nothing. They're finding lawsuits and all kinds of BS on this conman. Once they get everything together, it's all going to be in the media, which JT loves so much.

Going on 1000 posts now....

[DestroyersFan]

Seems the Vindy folks stumbled upon a huge marketing mistake on Jim Terry's part. Most Indians fans will eventually try to type Indians.com into their browser to see whats there. Most Browns fans will eventually try to type Browns.com into their browser to see whats there. Most Cavs fans will eventually try to type Cavs.com into their browser to see whats there. If you are daring, go see what's at Hitmen.com.

:eek: :shock:

[tony-o]

Seems the Vindy folks stumbled upon a huge marketing mistake on Jim Terry's part. Most Indians fans will eventually try to type Indians.com into their browser to see whats there. Most Browns fans will eventually try to type Browns.com into their browser to see whats there. Most Cavs fans will eventually try to type Cavs.com into their browser to see whats there. If you are daring, go see what's at Hitmen.com.

:eek: :shock:
Can you give a quick discription? I'm not daring.

[Minor League Man]

It's a porno site.

[tony-o]

It looks like the EIFL has already lost a team. The AIFL announced the Pittsburgh River Rats today, which is most likely the Three Rivers Rats from the EIFL.

[BarbaraPatterson]

It looks like the EIFL has already lost a team. The AIFL announced the Pittsburgh River Rats today, which is most likely the Three Rivers Rats from the EIFL.
Actually what I heard is that that the AIFL liked the name "River Rats" and just decided to use it. Do I hear yet another lawsuit?

[Tatonka]

The name and logo they unveiled was the first planned name for the Reading franchise. I have the Reading River Rats art from back in June of '05, exact same design, colors too. Haines is just recycling old unused logos from the eVivid library.

[Sphinx]

Jim Terry and the EIFL slipped up and did not trade mark the 3-RiverRats logo. The RiverRats logo as Tatokna stated was a potential name for the Reading franchise over a year ago.

[BarbaraPatterson]

The name and logo they unveiled was the first planned name for the Reading franchise. I have the Reading River Rats art from back in June of '05, exact same design, colors too. Haines is just recycling old unused logos from the eVivid library.
That makes me feel a little better :mrgreen: Anyone know what other names were not used? We can start guessing the names on the next teams.

[tony-o]

Oh, alright. I thought I've seen that RiverRats logo before.

[hawk174md]

I went on the EIFL site and here is something you should know:

The Three Rivers Rats of the EIFL and the Pittsburgh River Rats of the AIFL do not have the same nickname, so it's strike one on Jim Terry.

If Jim Terry plans to go ahead with his stupid lawsuit against the AIFL's Pittsburgh River Rats, he is gonna lose big time!!!

[BarbaraPatterson]

I went on the EIFL site and here is something you should know:

The Three Rivers Rats of the EIFL and the Pittsburgh River Rats of the AIFL do not have the same nickname, so it's strike one on Jim Terry.

If Jim Terry plans to go ahead with his stupid lawsuit against the AIFL's Pittsburgh River Rats, he is gonna lose big time!!!
Not totally disagreeing with everythign you say, however I am going to disagree with you on one point.

They do have the same nickname. Three Rivers Rats, and Pittsburgh River Rats are two similar names, in similar regions and a court will look at one fact.

Is there any chance that ONE, yes ONE customer of EITHER of these teams confuse that team with the other team. The answer is YES.

I'm not going to argue with you on who will win, because the AIFL might have a case at proving that the EIFL actually was using the AIFL's names.

Only one should be allowed to use this name, and the courts should (if anyone ever does decide to sue) decide who should use the name.

For the life of me I cant figure out why the AIFL would want to use a name similar to one being used by the EIFL, unless the AIFL is planning to capitalize on the name confusion.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Why are we even talking about this? Haven't you people figured out by now that Jim Terry is all talk? He's looking for publicity everywhere he goes and he gets it. Negatively.

The Youngstown Chamber of Commerce just wrote an editorial on how they hope any venue considering the Hitmen reconsider their decision. Go to www.mooheadradio.com and listen to archives of JT bashing everyone he possibly can.

Funny stuff. But there is no EIFL. The only thing legit is the Bayshore Brawlers. The Hitmen are homeless and might as well be turfless (and they plan a scrimmage for October 28 LOL) The other teams are just random names and locations that Jim probably picked out of a hat...Yawwwwn...