Mike Lind Is A Douchebag!

[guardnoize]

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[rage4]

looks like the phantoms are being evicted

[kristin411]

If the shoe fits,,,, (and it does)
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Originally Posted by phantom1

If the leauge took over this team why is there nothing on the website in reference to this take over? Because its another front to this mickey mouse BS!!! We had enough and we cut our loses. Bad guy?no way. ,,,,

,,,, I will tell you the The phantoms ended its season last Monday. The league never contacted ownership to take the team over and finish the season.


My question is;
If the Phantoms have ended their season why are players now not being allowed to sign on with other teams? Mike Lind has now refused to release players from their contracts so that they can move on from this whole fiasco. How can the players can be held to any original contract with the phantoms?? Just doesn't seem right to me. Wouldn't the Phantoms and or the NIFL be in default of contract by not even providing a home venue or paying players?? Someone help me understand this please!

[Bruce B]

I don't think the lack of a home venue would be a breach of contract, but not paying a person employed as a player could. If the team did not honor their contract with a player by failing to pay him for services rendered, I can't imagine that contract would be upheld as valid in a court of law. The owner might claim he was GOING to pay the player, but then the issue of solvency comes in, and a football team without a home field (the primary source of revenue for any sports teams) isn't exactly going to wow a judge.

Contract law varies from state to state, but if I were an unpaid Phantom player, I'd go ahead and look for another job. That contractual agreement has already been broken by the owner, from what I can tell. If not, let him prove it in court. It could even be considered restraint of trade if an owner refuses to pay a player, yet prevents him from seeking gainful employment with someone who would.

But don't take my advice: TALK TO A LAWYER IN FLORIDA FIRST, even if he or she is only a paralegal or with a referral service. At the very least, you can find out what constitutes breach of contract in that state.

[curiousity]

Bruce B,
I couldn't agree with you more! Seems we think on the same level, and obviously these poor guys need the opportunity to move on! I am sure they will do well. They have already conquered a lot against all odds.

I just wanted to toss you a thank you for giving them some light at the end of the tunnel. As they will be more thankful than myself, I am certain.

So, go get your legal advice guys, and move on!!!!

[herb1]

Nothing has been upheld in the contracts and the website was removed for non payment weeks ago. The players have been for the most part dedicated and they should just move to what ever teams they can play for.
Most of what was done in this group actually had no ties to the LLC due to the state corporation namings clauses. So I would nt worry about lawsuit the attorneys have not even been paid.

This might go down as the worst move for CS if it were not that 80% of all the new owner groups have fail or are failing . lol .
Well I think their may be storm brewing soon and its not Sioux Falls lol

[MarshalsFAN80]

My guess is in this situation, if the team no longer exists you can't be held into that contract. CONTACT THE LEAGUE...even with all the issues that they are having they should be able to help you. IF A TEAM FOLDS...you can't be held on a contract to play for that team.

I believe that the problem here is that the league locks in rosters in week 9.
That could be the only issue with moving to another team, I think.

Anyway good luck Phormer Phantoms;)

[outside source]

The team folded, ceased play for 2006. It still remains a part of the league until either the team or the league terminate the contract between them and therefore any contracts are still valid, including player ones which won't expire till after the first game of 2007.

I am not saying this is right and I believe players should be released, but that's the rules. Now player contracts only extend to teamswith in the NIFL. Any player on any team who signed the standard NIFL contract is free at anytime to go play on any team in any other league.

I am also not saying any of these contracts would hold up in court as right to work issues come into play. These have been tested before and I can't remember one case where the team who held the players contract was sided with.

These contracts were designed to keep players from jumping from team to team during the season, not to keep them from playing. But in the past and now, it appears some are using them or trying to use them for a purpose they were not intended for.

[jimbo32712]

I heard that Osceola actually had signed a few players that played for Palm Beach..So maybe I heard wrong.

[kristin411]

I believe the player/s that went to Osceola left before this whole thing in Fayetteville came to a head. Apparently Mike Lind has now decided that if he can't make things work with this team then no one else can have any of the players either. A few of them were all set to go to Frenzy (and/or Lakeland) and copies of their contracts were faxed to those teams with a notation that these players were not being released by Phantoms. So,, if in fact anyone did "get out" nthey should be thankful that they did,,,before Mike Lind decided it wasn't enough that he had screwed his own life up,, he now seems to feel the need to take everyone else down with him and screw their lives up as much as possible also.

[Bruce B]

An interesting point has been brought up that I didn't think of last night, and that's the matter of the NIFL allowing players from a defunct team to move to another team within the league. While players whose contracts have been broken almost certainly have the right to seek work elsewhere, I think the NIFL would have the right to restrict player movement from team to team within the league, which is perfectly understandable since it's not a good thing to have one surviving team sign up all the best players from a team that folded.

In the situation with the Phantoms, the best thing the NIFL could do would be to hold a dispersal draft of the players so the NIFL rights to players would be transferred evenly among the surviving teams. Better for the NIFL to see some or most of these players pop up on other rosters around the league than to lose them altogether to the GLIFL or UIF (for instance), who are not required to honor NIFL contracts or rights. A player would be within his rights to check out the other leagues, since there were over 90 indoor/arena pro teams out there when the season started. It's not like there's no demand for good football players.

No matter what, I don't know that a call to the NIFL office would produce a straight answer. A lawyer (or law clinic) would be the better bet.

[Phormer Phantom]

We heard that from day one. He told us that his "good friend" Orande Gadsden wanted him to play for the Miami Morays and then the ownership opportunty came around. I wish it really happened. We would have applauded while they carried him off the field. The only shame in that would be that we were not allowed to hit him ourselves.

[Eyesonyou]

He was not going to play with Orande...that was just another one of his pathetic lies.

[Pounder]

A guess... Lind wants compensation for teams acquiring "his" players.

[herb1]

The Players should just go make any deal they can to try and salvage something . Lind has broken every agreement he ever made. The office was locked and closed down by the landlord weeks ago. Personally I do not think he could find an attorny in this hemisphere that would go anywhere near him.
Actually if you want have some fun go here Copy this URL

http://205.166.161.12/OncoreV2/

Then search for lind,m ,michael, michael a A treasure trove of goodies for sure.
I ask you how in the world could CS have considered him a legitimate owner in the first place ? This has been the pattern of no due-diligence being performed with ownership groups.

[Phormer Phantom]

The @#it is going to hit the fan pretty soon. In a few years, Mike Lind will be the only person in South Florida driving a $100,000 automobile with license plates that he made himself!

[ronaldoswalt]

he messed up the end of our schedule and i love his current website