View Full Version : The creation of the PIFL
Tatonka
06-01-2006, 11:21 PM
http://www.piflfootball.com/index.html
The Professional Indoor Football League was created with four separate, but connected, goals. The goals, create a league that addresses the major concerns of teams, players, sponsors and fans.
Wonderful, another indoor league... when do we have enough? Granted, we could do without a couple of the existing leagues now, but at this rate, there will be more leagues than there are teams in each league.
SignGuyDino
06-01-2006, 11:28 PM
First and foremost:
1. No clowns. No shady figures. Yes, create a public blacklist like the ECHL does. You shaft a player or local business, you are blacklisted, period. (I can think of a few.)
2. Absolute deadlines. No arena lease in hand, no team. AT LEAST 4 months lead time.
3. PREPAID RENT. Leave NO doubts the teams start and finish the season.
4. Expansion fees INCLUDE turf, padding, uniforms, etc. Discount for transplanted teams.
5. Agree with 4 teams. You could do 12 games in a division. Of course more is better.
6. Yes, speed up the game. 3 hours is great for NFL football but in an arena with our kids it drags WAY too long.
7. Pay to play, pay more to win, like XFL.
8. People running PA and Game Ops that actually know what the hell they are doing.
I'm sure I can think of more.
yellowpages
06-02-2006, 12:43 AM
Gotcha dialed in SignGuyDino. That's why there's a new league. Tatonka, if you have a better idea, bring it! Nothing else is working right now for the teams.
nksports
06-02-2006, 03:37 AM
Sounds like they are looking for disgruntled NIFL/AIFL owners. If they truly are on the up-and-up, it could be the solution.
ChampionOfSteel
06-05-2006, 09:04 AM
3. PREPAID RENT. Leave NO doubts the teams start and finish the season.
Coaches/players can still walk if they haven't been paid in full.
5. Agree with 4 teams. You could do 12 games in a division. Of course more is better.
I don't know what this means? Each team in a four-team division plays each other 4 times?
AllTheRage
06-05-2006, 05:36 PM
If my memory is correct, Carolyn Shiver owns the name PIFL having purchased it along with the various patents from Dick Seuss. You may want to check into that.
outside source
06-05-2006, 06:20 PM
CS has no rights to the name, nor has she ever. All she ever received from Mr. Suess was the rights to the so called patent, nothing more, nothing less.
yellowpages
06-13-2006, 11:31 PM
Is there anymore new info on the PIFL? Feed me. :)
BarbaraPatterson
06-14-2006, 11:09 AM
Is there anymore new info on the PIFL? Feed me. :)
Its a shame the address of the PIFL is a college campus. College kids I'm assuming.
yellowpages
06-14-2006, 11:40 AM
Not sure where you got the address but, it is not a college campus. Nice try though. ;)
Yeah, I'm confused. I just went through their site and I have no idea where you came up with the college campus? Is there something I'm missing?
This is the real deal, I know the gentlemen that have put this together, and I know that there are some high quality teams from various leagues that have inquired about the league.
There is a TON of indoor experience behind this effort, and I'm wishing the PIFL the best. It can only be good for fans like me that want to see indoor football succeed.
BarbaraPatterson
06-14-2006, 06:09 PM
Not sure where you got the address but, it is not a college campus. Nice try though. ;)
You better check more carefully. The domain is registered to
Registrant:
Jerry, Hewitt
1511 Poly Drive
Billings, MT 59102
US
Domain name: PIFLFOOTBALL.COM
Below is the address for the registry, which also is the address for Rocky Mountain College: http://www.rocky.edu/index.php?type=directory
Jerry was stationed there briefly. He's now in Texas, and at some point will be in Las Vegas.
I can tell you where he used to live, as well. But many people that've been around the indoor football world for the last 5 or so years know that already.
Not trying to sound snippety, but if you want to know, just ask!
BarbaraPatterson
06-14-2006, 06:23 PM
Jerry was stationed there briefly. He's now in Texas, and at some point will be in Las Vegas.
I can tell you where he used to live, as well. But many people that've been around the indoor football world for the last 5 or so years know that already.
Not trying to sound snippety, but if you want to know, just ask!
Not trying to sound snippety either, but the domain name was just registered.
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 17-Apr-2006.
Record expires on 17-Apr-2007.
Record created on 17-Apr-2006.
Anotherwords, the address on file for the domain is a college campus. In one breath you claim "I have no idea where you came up with the college campus?", and then minutes later go, oh yeah.. but now he's in Texas, even though the domain name was just recorded.
All I stated was that the business is registered at a college address, just stating a fact.
His move to Texas happened just this last weekend, this is where his partner is located. Jerry has built a lot of websites over the years, one of the things he's done, and done well.
I knew he was in Billings over most of the last year, but I didn't look up the domain. He is a former employee of the NIFL, and knows indoor football inside out. His partner also has a wealth of experience, and they've had their ears bent by some of the best.
They've seen what works and what doesn't work. They know many of the things that solid, stable franchises are looking for, and think they can deliver. I think they have a great chance for success.
yellowpages
06-14-2006, 06:36 PM
Ms. Patterson
Yes, you are right. Hewitt is semi-retired and travels a lot. He used his son as his permanent address and that is where the domain registration comes from. His son has recently graduated from Rocky Mountain College. It is simply the address used for the domain. It is not the business address.
The PIFL operations are actually located in Texas. Future intent is to move the majority of the operations to Las Vegas.
If there is any other information that I might be able to research for you, I'd be glad to do so. :)
BarbaraPatterson
06-14-2006, 06:36 PM
His move to Texas happened just this last weekend, this is where his partner is located. Jerry has built a lot of websites over the years, one of the things he's done, and done well.
I knew he was in Billings over most of the last year, but I didn't look up the domain. He is a former employee of the NIFL, and knows indoor football inside out. His partner also has a wealth of experience, and they've had their ears bent by some of the best.
They've seen what works and what doesn't work. They know many of the things that solid, stable franchises are looking for, and think they can deliver. I think they have a great chance for success.
Then I wish the well. My consern, not knowing Jerry, is that to many people are seeing the sales of these leagues, (AIFL, NAFL as examples) and think that they can startup a league and cash out in a few years. Not fully understanding the full startup costs, or the legalities involved with running, and starting a league.
I hope thats not the case but I think over the next couple of years, you will see 6 new leagues formed. We already have the EIFL and PIFL started this year, and the season isnt even over.
Then I wish the well. My consern, not knowing Jerry, is that to many people are seeing the sales of these leagues, (AIFL, NAFL as examples) and think that they can startup a league and cash out in a few years. Not fully understanding the full startup costs, or the legalities involved with running, and starting a league.
I hope thats not the case but I think over the next couple of years, you will see 6 new leagues formed. We already have the EIFL and PIFL started this year, and the season isnt even over.
People that research these leagues will know what's legitimate and what's not. That was actually behind the creation of the PIFL.
Stable and solid ownership groups will know this..........hopefully.
outside source
06-14-2006, 06:58 PM
Then I wish the well. My consern, not knowing Jerry, is that to many people are seeing the sales of these leagues, (AIFL, NAFL as examples) and think that they can startup a league and cash out in a few years. Not fully understanding the full startup costs, or the legalities involved with running, and starting a league.
I hope thats not the case but I think over the next couple of years, you will see 6 new leagues formed. We already have the EIFL and PIFL started this year, and the season isnt even over.
Barbara, if I may call you that. You're right, you don't know me and you are also right on maybe some getting in for a fast buck. I'm not going to sit here and say that my partner and I don't stand a chance of doing very well financially with the PIFL, but there again the idea of any business is not to go broke.
Money to some degree to both of us is secondary. Our motivation is we want to build a league, build it right and give quality teams a home they can be proud to live in.
I have been involved with the NIFL since before it was even announced. I have supported that league for over six years and still support some teams in it and the original concept that started it. I'm not here to bad mouth other leagues, but quite frankly mt partner and myself feel we can do a better job in providing teams, fans, players and sponsors with the kind of league they want.
I know this is just talk right now and talk is cheap and easy. The proof of our words and promises will come when PIFL teams begin setting up and playing. It is then that those who rightfully question us will either be proven right or wrong.
BarbaraPatterson
06-14-2006, 11:10 PM
Barbara, if I may call you that. You're right, you don't know me and you are also right on maybe some getting in for a fast buck. I'm not going to sit here and say that my partner and I don't stand a chance of doing very well financially with the PIFL, but there again the idea of any business is not to go broke.
Money to some degree to both of us is secondary. Our motivation is we want to build a league, build it right and give quality teams a home they can be proud to live in.
I have been involved with the NIFL since before it was even announced. I have supported that league for over six years and still support some teams in it and the original concept that started it. I'm not here to bad mouth other leagues, but quite frankly mt partner and myself feel we can do a better job in providing teams, fans, players and sponsors with the kind of league they want.
I know this is just talk right now and talk is cheap and easy. The proof of our words and promises will come when PIFL teams begin setting up and playing. It is then that those who rightfully question us will either be proven right or wrong.
I hope for the investors in teams in your league, that you are very sincere and can back up what you say. I've seen way to many owners go bankrupt, or near bankrupt to keep their teams afloat due to broken promises from leagues and former owners, only to be bad mouthed in the press and forums.
It takes real money to start a team and keep it going, over $100,000 just to begin due to costs of equipment, turf, insurance etc. While owning a football team is a status for some people, others get into them as a business, expecting repayment years down the road. Far to many times teams are sold to bail out the leagues running them, only to have the new owners financially strapped for the same reason the league was. When that owner goes broke, they are again resold to someone else, and the whole time the owners bad mouthed for not having enough money.
Most owners of these teams are family people with small businesses of their own. Loosing $100,000 - $200,000 (yes, one team I hear of lost 200K this year) is real money to these people and at some point, money runs out and teams fold. If you want to seperate yourself from other leagues, do not sell teams to those that just cant afford to lose $100K.
yellowpages
06-15-2006, 02:47 AM
Barbara you are right. I do not believe that any team should be in a position where they are set up to fail.
I believe, very strongly, that those involved with the PIFL want teams to succeed.
Keep posting your comments and suggestions. It will only make them stronger in the long run.
outside source
06-15-2006, 05:55 PM
Quite frankly, liquid assets should be in the neighborhood of 300-400K to start a team in year one. Actually probably a little more. At 100K you're depending heavily on ticket and sponsor sales with little cash to back it up.
In most cases, season one will be a loser, but in season two with hard work can and should be able to at least break even. This is far from a get rich over night venture and the reasons for even wanting a team have to be more than just making money
I'm glad to see that the PIFL is attempting to update their site on a regular basis. So many times we'll see a website for new leagues or teams with no updates or signs of life.
"The Daily Buzz Reloaded" section seems to be explaining where they are at with their goals, a new section was added........today?
http://71.18.64.56/
This is the link to their website.
BarbaraPatterson
07-02-2006, 03:04 PM
Then I wish the well. My consern, not knowing Jerry, is that to many people are seeing the sales of these leagues, (AIFL, NAFL as examples) and think that they can startup a league and cash out in a few years. Not fully understanding the full startup costs, or the legalities involved with running, and starting a league.
I hope thats not the case but I think over the next couple of years, you will see 6 new leagues formed. We already have the EIFL and PIFL started this year, and the season isnt even over.
Well I predicted 6 teams in the next 2 years, do we now have our third league starting up before the end of year 1? http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=3087
tony-o
07-02-2006, 03:17 PM
Well I predicted 6 teams in the next 2 years, do we now have our third league starting up before the end of year 1? http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=3087
I could see a few more leagues in the future for teams that are getting away from the NIFL and AIFL. Though the EIFL will probably fail due to who is in charge. So it's looking like 2 more leagues that could come out and actually do good.
Red Zone
07-03-2006, 10:15 AM
Concept looks good on paper. From what I understand by the regional concept is that teams in regions that border another region can and will play each other. Teams in non bordering regions can play each other as long as they fit within the travel time line parameters. From what I read, the PIFL organizers are pretty much responding to comments by fans of creating a league that will be run with professionalism and integrity. It seems like the vast majority of us fans in here have been burned by a league or team and we are getting tired of it. Teams ask for fan support - we give it to them only to get our back stabbed. There are enough disgruntled team owners in leagues accross the country to get this off the ground and become reality next year.
Tatonka
07-03-2006, 06:23 PM
There already is a league that is run with professionalism and integrity, one that responds quickly to their member teams' needs and is just completing their inaugural season with all 6 teams playing every sheduled game, without forfeits or replacement players.
www.glifl.com
Red Zone
07-04-2006, 10:53 AM
There already is a league that is run with professionalism and integrity, one that responds quickly to their member teams' needs and is just completing their inaugural season with all 6 teams playing every sheduled game, without forfeits or replacement players.
www.glifl.com
The GLIFL does seem legit and doing things the right way. I just don't see a team in the deep south being apart of the GLIFL.
tony-o
07-04-2006, 11:28 AM
The GLIFL does seem legit and doing things the right way. I just don't see a team in the deep south being apart of the GLIFL.
I could actually see it happening in maybe a year or two. There is already a team in Maryland. But I think a SIFL or SEIFL would come first.
BarbaraPatterson
07-04-2006, 11:37 AM
I think that it would be a good idea to consolidate some of these leagues, rather then starting new ones. Make the current ones financially stable.
preeths
07-04-2006, 05:36 PM
I don't believe consolidation is needed. It may work, but it is not necessary. Travel costs have to be tamed, and one way to do that would be with regional leagues.
The PIFL has had interest from the east and southeast, per the guy that's launching the league.
He posts updates on the board linked on semi regularly as "Coach". The link is to the thread clarifying this position.
http://indoorbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=4179#4179
BarbaraPatterson
07-25-2006, 05:13 PM
And according to JT, he also has interest from teams looking to join the EIFL league. Let me know when they cut the check and I'll believe that interest has been expressed
And according to JT, he also has interest from teams looking to join the EIFL league. Let me know when they cut the check and I'll believe that interest has been expressed
Two different worlds.
JT isn't taken seriously by anyone involved in the indoor football world.
PIONEERSFAN101
07-25-2006, 05:45 PM
Not sure I like the PIFL's idea of not giving any info. We haven't heard a thing about even interested markets yet. I understand the policy, but it's making it look like there's 0 progress.
preeths
07-25-2006, 05:54 PM
Not sure I like the PIFL's idea of not giving any info. We haven't heard a thing about even interested markets yet. I understand the policy, but it's making it look like there's 0 progress.
Let's give any new entity at least another month or so to talk about progress. If it's true that one or more new leagues will have existing teams join them, they have to wait until season's are over, contracts signed, etc. We're not even completely into the offseason yet. Give it time. I like the fact that a couple rumored new leagues are playing it close to the vest so far and getting all their ducks in a row first. Once they have something to announce, we'll be that much surer that it will actually happen, compared to a premature announcement.
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