Carolyn Shiver on why the Prowlers failed in the af2

[PIONEERSFAN101]

“Perhaps they simply had a bad business plan,” she surmised. “The league [which is not affiliated with the NIFL] was young and the product untested. I’m sure the ownership group did everything they could to make it work. We have a model that is tried and true and has proven to work in a variety of markets. We know that Greensboro is an excellent market for this sport and, speaking for both the ownership group and myself, are very excited to be here.”

All I can say is......LMFAO

[rams80]

pot meet kettle. Kettle; pot.

[nksports]

[QUOTE=PIONEERSFAN101]“We have a model that is tried and true and has proven to work in a variety of markets. ”

Here in the NIFL, we have a model that has failed in more than 25 markets since 2001.

[tony-o]

[QUOTE=PIONEERSFAN101]“We have a model that is tried and true and has proven to work in a variety of markets. ”

Here in the NIFL, we have a model that has failed in more than 25 markets since 2001.
Amen!

[tony-o]

“We have a model that is tried and true and has proven to work in a variety of markets. ”

Here in the NIFL, we have a model that has failed in more than 25 markets since 2001.
Amen!!!!!!

[fwp]

How many teams from the 2001 af2 season are still in af2?

I know the Lincoln Lightning pulled up stakes just a few weeks before their 2nd season in af2 and took off with everyone's ticket and sponsorship money.

[fwp]

How many teams from the 2001 af2 season are still in af2?

I know the Lincoln Lightning pulled up stakes just a few weeks before their 2nd season in af2 and took off with everyone's ticket and sponsorship money.

Perhaps a better question would be, how many teams have gone away in af2 from 2001 on?

[AllTheRage]

Baton Rouge Blaze (2001)
Iowa Barnstormers (2001) - not to be confused with the Iowa Barnstormers (now New York Dragons) of the AFL
Lafayette Roughnecks (2001)
Lincoln Lightning (2001)
Roanoke Steam (2000-2002)
New Haven Ninjas (2002)
Augusta Stallions (Augusta, GA) (2000-2002)
Carolina Rhinos (2000-2002)
Jacksonville Tomcats (2000-2002)
Tallahasse Thunder (2000-2002)
Pensacola Barracudas (2000-2002)
Mobile Wizards (2002)
Frenso Frenzy (2002)
Richmond Speed (2000-2003)
Norfolk Nighthawks (2000-2003)
Charleston Swamp Foxes (2000-2003)
Rochester Brigade (2001-2003)
Cinncinnati Swarm (2003)
Hawaii Islanders (2002-2004)
Laredo Law (2004)
Columbus Wardogs (Columbus, GA) (2001-2004)
Tennessee Valley Vipers (2000-2004)
Wichita Stealth (2001-2004)
Peoria Pirates (2001-2004)
Greensboro Prowlers (2000-2003)

DEFUNCT AFL TEAMS
Albany Firebirds (1990-2000; later, the Indiana Firebirds from 2001-2004)
Charlotte Rage (1992-1996)
Carolina Cobras (2000-2004)
Chicago Politicians (1986 "playtest game" only; later, the Chicago Bruisers from 1987-89)
Cincinnati Rockers (1992-1993)
Columbus Thunderbolts (1991; later, the Cleveland Thunderbolts from 1992-1994)
Connecticut Coyotes (1995-1996)
Dallas Texans (1990-1993)
Denver Dynamite (1987; 1989-1991)
Detroit Drive (1988-1993; later, the Massachusetts Marauders, 1994)
Detroit Fury (2001-2004)
Fort Worth Cavalry (1994)
Las Vegas Sting (1994-1995; later, the Anaheim Piranhas from 1996-97)
Los Angeles Cobras (1988)
Milwaukee Mustangs (1994-2001)
Minnesota Fighting Pike (1996)
Pittsburgh Gladiators (1987-1991, now the Tampa Bay Storm)
Memphis Pharaohs (1995-1996; later, the Portland Forest Dragons from 1997-2000 and the Oklahoma Wranglers from 2001-2002. The Oklahoma team is not to be confused with the Austin Wranglers team now in existence.)
New England Steamrollers (1988)
New Orleans Night (1991-1992)
New York Knights (1988; not to be confused with the later New York/New Jersey Knights of the World League of American Football)
New York CityHawks (1997-1998; later, the New England Sea Wolves from 1999-2000 and the Toronto Phantoms from 2001-02)
Rockford Metros (1986 "playtest game" only)
Sacramento Attack (1992; later, the Miami Hooters from 1993 to 1995 and the Florida Bobcats from 1996 to 2001)
San Antonio Force (1992; not to be confused with the Georgia Force team now in existence)
St. Louis Stampede (1995-1996)
Texas Terror (1996-1997; later, the Houston Thunderbears, 1998-2001)
Washington Commandos (1987, 1990; also known as the Maryland Commandos in 1989)

So, it looks like the NIFL has a ways to go to catch up!

[PIONEERSFAN101]

The NIFL is already in the lead.

The AF2 has folded 26 teams in 6 years..Following the 2005 season, 1 team folded, the San Diego Riptide.

36 teams have folded in the NIFL or moved in FIVE years...I'm not even going to try and count all the defections following the 2005 season...like 7 or something?

You can find complete historical standings, schedules, team summaries, and more at my site The Arena...www.angelfire.com/pa5/indoorfootball

Shameless plug I know.

[rams80]

Wait...what are you trying to argue precisely? That the more teams you kill the better the league you have? Geeze, it's like I stumbled into Joe Newman's brain here.

As far as I'm concerned, the NIFL and af2 are equally bush.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Wow you can't really compare the NIFL and AF2 like that. The AF2's only scandal was Quad City's cheating in the first two years. The NIFL has far more problems year in and year out. The AF2 has never folded or suspended a team in midseason, for instance. Or promoted a corrupt owner(like the NIFL and CSM) And my arguement is that the AF2 has folded fewer teams than the NIFL, I'm going to guess your comment was for ATR.

Again, all these leagues have problems, but the difference is, the NIFL is blatantly not fixing theirs.

[rams80]

IDK, this year looks to be an interesting one for the af2 as well. I'm still not convinced that Everett won't end up blowing up in the league's face this year.

The money pit that is Bakersfield is still around to cause problems.

Arenacup profits might bail out BCS, but that's only a might.

Amarillo has expressed displeasure at the costs of this league.

Green Bay looks like it still might lose money (mainly because they cut ticket prices so much)

RGV may get tired with being so isolated as well.

As for the cheating...well QC was the only team that got caught.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Not sure about Everett and Bakersfield...

I actually hope Bossier folds, as cruel as that sounds. The people down there could care less about the worst team in indoor/arena history...They have just been horrible from the start, on the field that is.

I have a source very close to the Amarillo team and from what I hear, they're only problem is their tiny Amarillo Civic Center.

Dunno about Green Bay and RGV...

[phydeaux72]

IDK, this year looks to be an interesting one for the af2 as well. I'm still not convinced that Everett won't end up blowing up in the league's face this year.

The money pit that is Bakersfield is still around to cause problems.

Arenacup profits might bail out BCS, but that's only a might.

Amarillo has expressed displeasure at the costs of this league.

Green Bay looks like it still might lose money (mainly because they cut ticket prices so much)

RGV may get tired with being so isolated as well.

As for the cheating...well QC was the only team that got caught.

I've heard from a pretty reliable source from within the IFL that the af2 Amarillo franchise is seriously considering rejoining the IFL after the 2006 season concludes. I also wouldn't be surprised to see RGV joining the IFL in the near future with the IFL Laredo franchise being right around the corner from them.

[nksports]

Wait...what are you trying to argue precisely? That the more teams you kill the better the league you have? Geeze, it's like I stumbled into Joe Newman's brain here.

As far as I'm concerned, the NIFL and af2 are equally bush.

No, Joe Newman's league holds the record for most teams folded before playing a single game and for teams folding in the opening weeks of the season.

[Pounder]

No, Joe Newman's league holds the record for most teams folded before playing a single game and for teams folding in the opening weeks of the season.

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