Attention Potential Dayton Buyers

[centurionhater]

Why purchase damaged goods? Start your own team and stay away from the NIFL.

Lets reflect...Tony Pewonski owns Centurion Sports management.

CSM owned the Daytona Beach Hawgs: Players are still owed about $1400 each from last season. The NIFL President mailed a letter to these Hawgs players and said that if they returned their uniforms (by mail at the players cost) that the league would pay the players $500 each. CSM also got the team locked out from their arena for unpaid bills. Coaches never got paid.

Currently the City of Daytona and two local business men threw CSM, TP & the NIFL out of Daytona Beach. We have enough dirt bags we don't need anymore.

CSM owned the Kissimmee Kreatures: The head coach quit in mid-season because he had not been paid. The players had stated they were 5 weeks behind in pay. CSM & the NIFL league President stated in an article in the Orlando Sentinel that it was all a misunderstanding and that the players have been paid in full. Three weeks later the Kissimmee players refused to come out on the field before a game in Daytona. They stated they had not been paid in eight weeks. You do the math!

Currently the Kreatures were sold and they changed their name to the outlaws.

CSM owned half of the Lakeland Thunderbolts: The other owner was the GM and the father of the QB. As far as I know they didn't allow CSM to be involved with to much of the team. The players and coaches were all paid in full on time.

CSM owns Dayton Warbirds: I'm sure you can see the pattern.....

[nksports]

Unfortunately, about the only league Dayton could jump to would be the UIF, and we all know what happened there.
I'd bet Miami Valley (Troy) has a non-compete clause, so Dayton couldn't go AIFL.
I'd almost think a new owner would want the Dayton franchise formally folded and be given an expansion franchise, so they wouldn't be liable for current ownership's bills. (That still might not clear new owners legally).

[centurionhater]

I am sorry for my lack of knowledge of the Dayton, OH area. I am under the impression that there is more than one arena in the city.

If I was a potential owner in Dayton, I'd rather start from scratch. I realize what a piece of trash the current owner is and what he's done with his other teams, so I would want nothing to do with him.

I'd do much what the McDonald brothers have done here in Daytona Beach, FL. Pay for the arena up front for the season and have a no compete clause. Because the NIFL allowed that owner to screw up so many teams I'd also want nothing to do with the NIFL. I'd get with one of the other leagues.

There's so many wonderful individuals that God has trapped them inside themselves. It's just sad that God allows people like TP & CS to have the ability to breathe. I'm feel confident that the two will be turned down at the big shiny gates.

[preeths]

Good heavens, centurionhater, get some perspective. You sound like a true kook when you post such over-the-top garbage. This is indoor football we're talking about, and one year of it, at that, as far as CSM is concerned. They may have done a lot of things wrong, but in all likelihood, it was because they had a poor plan and lack of capital, not that they intended to harm anyone. That doesn't excuse their shortcomings, but you might want to look at yourself and your own shortcomings before damning them.

[Leonard]

Agree Preeths that Centurion Hater could have been a little more 'PC' but then again, the truth sometimes hurts at both ends.
To set some facts straight, especially for Mr. C-Hater:
1. I don't know all the details of the Daytona Beach Hawgs situation, but I do know, from my league sources out here and some ex-players, the owner pretty much lied to everyone, the players, coaches and staff of the Hawgs about getting paid. No wonder they ripped off the equipment, much like they did in Dayton (computers, office equipment and such). It was apitiful display after the last game when he stood there and lied to the players. There was also a bout with the new owners of the Thunder, who were leveraging the price of the Hawgs, but couldn't get him to negotiate. Also, there were two other possible ownership groups whom had an interest in the Hawgs. He also forced admin types to alienate governmental officials and that is what forced him out of town.
2. Kissimmee was sold to reputable ownership from the Orlando-Kissimmee area. That was the good thing. The bad thing is that the former owner took the money and did not pay off the debts, especially to those players and coaches who played for the Kreatures. He also stiffed paying some debt to the league. CS is not happy about this and that is why she has taken over sale of the Dayton franchise. The Kissimmee franchise could have sold for as much as $150,000. Anyway you look at it, the former owner jilted everyone agin by not paying back debts. What the current owners did, my sources indicate, is they paid the players back salaries and some of the coaches money without any obligation to do so. Good hearted people.
3. Basically, one-third of the Lakeland franchise was sold to local ownership. Martin's still have one-third and Pewonski has one-third. Each of these owners got $50,000 each from the new ownership group. Again, none of the past bills were paid, including those owed by Martin. The players and coaches were paid as you said. Rumor has it that the two-thirds are attempting to buy Pewonski out of the remaining third. If TP was not involved, the Thunderbolts would have jumped to the AIFL, but because TP was involved, the Haines rejected them immediately.
4. In Dayton, yes, there is a buyer and he is reputable. Or they are. Not sure who is there. CS is handling all negotiations as TP somewhat 'abandoned' the franchise in October and administrators were attempting to sell it. Some nice people are owed a lot by the current owner and unless the thing sells, they will be really hurt. CS has promised to pay as many debts with the money received from the sale of Dayton, according to my sources.
Total amount of money owed individuals and venders amounts to nearly $200,000, according to calculations from three different sources.
Those are the facts Jack! Smok'em if you Gott'em....

[nksports]

I am sorry for my lack of knowledge of the Dayton, OH area. I am under the impression that there is more than one arena in the city.

There are two arenas in the Dayton area that can support indoor football. Nutter Center (actually located just outside the Greene County city of Fairborn) is owned by Wright State University. It seats around 12,500 for basketball and a little under 10,000 for hockey/football.

Hara Arena (my old haunt, outside the suburb of Trotwood) seats around 5,000. It isn't used much any more as a pro sports venue. It was built in the early 60s for the old IHL Dayton Gems. Narrow concourse, but great sight lines in the arena, the floor is about six feet below the level of the first row of seats, making it a bit of a "pit," so the fans sit right on top of you. I think the old Dayton IFL indoor team played there.
It used to be privately owned, but I don't know who owns it today. It's my favorite for sentimental reasons (it smells like an old hockey arena. It's just old school.)

Hobart Arena, where the Miami Valley AIFL team plays, is a municipal facility in Troy, about 20 miles north of Dayton. After a recent remodeling, it now seats around 3,700 for hockey/football.