Carolina aviators, folding!!!!

[integrity]

Was told they cant find an arena to play in because none of the arenas wanna deal with anything Andrew Haines is involved with!!!! I know this is true because i personally know a person very high up at one of the arenas.Anbody else heard this?

[BananaCat]

If true (which wouldn't be a surprise), I doubt the league would fold them. More than likely they'd be turned into a travel-only team in order to keep an even number of teams in the South (similar to when they started up the Sting travel team in the North after Saginaw bolted for the CIFL).

[chuckyman]

Wow, that would be strike two right there. They will soon learn people are tired of anyone from the JM school of business. Some people never learn

[exit322]

Wow, that would be strike two right there. They will soon learn people are tired of anyone from the JM school of business. Some people never learn

John Morris is from the Andrew Haines (and Carolyn Shiver) school of business, not the other way around.

[exit322]

Was told they cant find an arena to play in because none of the arenas wanna deal with anything Andrew Haines is involved with!!!! I know this is true because i personally know a person very high up at one of the arenas.Anbody else heard this?

No - ownership for the team simply wasn't up to snuff, and the UIFL actually vetted it out before it caused a real problem. While not perfect, at least it wasn't halfway through the season as we've seen a lot in certain other leagues.

[coachingubigr]

John Morris is from the Andrew Haines (and Carolyn Shiver) school of business, not the other way around.

does it really matter? A liar is still a liar regardless of who taught him to lie.

[gatek99]

No - ownership for the team simply wasn't up to snuff, and the UIFL actually vetted it out before it caused a real problem. While not perfect, at least it wasn't halfway through the season as we've seen a lot in certain other leagues.

so do we see another travel team added?

[integrity]

The Danville Dragons are almost done my sources tell me that they cant get any sponsors because of previous danville team. If the UIFL vetted owners this wouldnt happen. It wasnt the owners fault it was every arena in the carolinas area knew about the crook Andrew Haines. Also told Cincinnati and Marion are not happy. I thought the uifl would lose some teams during the season but wouldnt fold until after, would suprise me know if they make it through the season.

[gatek99]

The Danville Dragons are almost done my sources tell me that they cant get any sponsors because of previous danville team. If the UIFL vetted owners this wouldnt happen. It wasnt the owners fault it was every arena in the carolinas area knew about the crook Andrew Haines. Also told Cincinnati and Marion are not happy. I thought the uifl would lose some teams during the season but wouldnt fold until after, would suprise me know if they make it through the season.

what if someone new came out of the woodwork and ran a league, do you think we would see a rise of indoor football?

[chuckyman]

Not to mention the owner of Danville has a team in the LSFL as well. So with secured facilities and what not so you can only imagine once the rest of this news hits where he will throw the bulk of his money.

[Trish_lvs_Baltimore]

That's really sad about Carolina. Seems like a possible partnership that ended before it ever had a chance to begin...

On another note, I read that the Lexington Horsemen are lookin' at joining the UIFL in 2012-beyond.

I know, I know, guys! You're probably saying "its just wikipedia! Wikipedia is NEVER accurate!".

My reply to that would "don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.......lol"

[Tommy T]

what if someone new came out of the woodwork and ran a league, do you think we would see a rise of indoor football?
Indoor Football doesn't need another NEW owner. What it needs is to get rid of the snakes that already exist. The only way they can be delt with is to have ownerships not sign with them and go back to the league they jumped from because they thought they were getting a great deal instead of a bunch of lies. The APFL, IFL, and the CIFL seem to be the Legit operations for integrity and fair play. The CIFL ownerships as an example did not try to sell a team for 25K that didnt exist or promise three teams when they only had one (and it was on the rocks) nor did they write checks on closed bank accounts or pass out flimsy one page contacts to teams in other leagues, or hold a conference call late at night telling ownerships (that thought they were getting a great deal) they were making up an east/West/ Mid-West League with divisional play combined with championship games and an all star game in Mexico...gentlemen if it sounds to good to be true...well, you know...just sayin'

[exit322]

Indoor Football doesn't need another NEW owner. What it needs is to get rid of the snakes that already exist. The only way they can be delt with is to have ownerships not sign with them and go back to the league they jumped from because they thought they were getting a great deal instead of a bunch of lies. The APFL, IFL, and the CIFL seem to be the Legit operations for integrity and fair play. The CIFL ownerships as an example did not try to sell a team for 25K that didnt exist or promise three teams when they only had one (and it was on the rocks) nor did they write checks on closed bank accounts or pass out flimsy one page contacts to teams in other leagues, or hold a conference call late at night telling ownerships (that thought they were getting a great deal) they were making up an east/West/ Mid-West League with divisional play combined with championship games and an all star game in Mexico...gentlemen if it sounds to good to be true...well, you know...just sayin'

Still not a great move by CIFL management to derogatorily post about issues that other leagues are facing.

[thefridge81]

Don't be surprised, there will be more fallout from all of this. Watch for the Sting to fold before they even take the field.

[exit322]

Hard to tell - Haines travel teams traditionally do what they're supposed to do. I can see them cancelling their home games, though, other than ones the other team can get at their place.

[integrity]

Tennesee is in trouble, also heard commandos are unhappy and that UIFL owns monsters. They say the monsters have owners but they have never announced who they are. Dont be suprised if next year ciny and marion are trying to get back into the cifl. Anybody heard from Cecil Van Dyke?

[jerry101jlh]

Why do those involved with other leagues constantly feel its ok to slam competing leagues? Is it because they can't get their own leagues in order, so try to deflect their problems by bringing to light problems in other leagues? True whats said or not, just not a class act.

[nksports]

Why do those involved with other leagues constantly feel its ok to slam competing leagues? Is it because they can't get their own leagues in order, so try to deflect their problems by bringing to light problems in other leagues? True whats said or not, just not a class act.

I sometimes think they do it do try and persuade a new owner on the fence to put his team in their league.

[exit322]

I sometimes think they do it do try and persuade a new owner on the fence to put his team in their league.

A possibility, and given what we're working with, one that discounts the fact that if you're at that spot on January 3...you don't really want that anyways.

[daytonadan]

Happy New Year, everybody.

[integrity]

I dont work for any indoor team,Im just stating facts. Carolina folded 2 months ago, Danville folded 2 weeks ago, the monsters are folding, Tennessee has folded(didnt even start), and multiple teams are looking to get out now!!!! Plus Cecil Van Dyke has vanished. The UIFL is dead, that is a FACT!!!!

[agent47]

I noticed that Danville has removed their coaching staff from their website. Its a sad state of affairs for the UIFL. I would hate to be a player in this situation going into mid January and my team folds. Peace 47

[integrity]

Damn shame people continue to trust Haines!!! Feel horrible for the players and coaches. I only posted what I knew so other people would know whats going on, people need to wake up!!! Haines doesnt need good owners he needs gulible owners to feed his pockets. Thats why he ran off one of the few good owners with a bunch of lies that he started(River Monsters).

[gatek99]

I know nothing about any of these owners or Haines, so help me out here. How is it Haines fault that these teams all folded?

[chuckyman]

@gate more or less what I have taken from things is that they are saying the UIFL is like the old days of Vegas when it came to the Casinos. Haines is the Mob, and the "owners" are the faces of his organizations when in reality he is pulling the strings and deciding where money will or won't go.

[thefridge81]

I've also heard about the Tennessee team and Kentucky circling the drain. When it Haines, it pours.

[chuckyman]

If that happens I see some of the remaining southern teams with no connection to haines joining the PIFL for the 2013 setting the stage for something epic. huntington and EKY though both franchises with a great fan base maybe too small for the PIFL and definitely the IFL. I think the CIFL would be their only option if this indeed keeps up and over all the CIFL would gain the rest of the midwestern teams causing the talk of a merger with the APFL to die just that quickly. But we will see.

[HaterBlocker]

She was NOT one of the good owners ... I know from someone that is dealing with the situation, the people with the Monsters have had to mend every fence that she burned while doing "business". She had no idea how to run a football team and she was part of the problem. She cheated, and got caught, then lied to everyone involved.

She attempted to pin all of the blame on others, and it wasn't until she was out of town that the truth came to light

Damn shame people continue to trust Haines!!! Feel horrible for the players and coaches. I only posted what I knew so other people would know whats going on, people need to wake up!!! Haines doesnt need good owners he needs gulible owners to feed his pockets. Thats why he ran off one of the few good owners with a bunch of lies that he started(River Monsters).

[integrity]

Dont know the situation first hand like it seems you do, i just know as an indoor fan that they were one of the few teams last year whos players got there paychecks every week, all indoor owners are crooks.lol. we all know that.

[DFWCC]

Dont know the situation first hand like it seems you do, i just know as an indoor fan that they were one of the few teams last year whos players got there paychecks every week, all indoor owners are crooks.lol. we all know that.

I take exception on "all owners are crooks". Most? Could be. All no way.
At least the one I know personally. He has a full staffed office
in downtown Erie.

[integrity]

Agreed, most is more accurate

[MarshalMan35]

Agreed. the current commandos owner seems to be running a clean operation.

[integrity]

Agreed. the current commandos owner seems to be running a clean operation.

Hopefully they will have a place to play this year.

[preeths]

I'm told the UIFL will be meeting this coming weekend. Announcements are expected shortly thereafter.

[Commando678]

:eek:Hopefully they will have a place to play this year.

Why can't they play in the Gardens? Or are your referring to the UIFL Shutting down?

[Sonofanump]

Did Cincy or Marion burn any bridges leaving the CIFL? Would anyone know this?

[exit322]

Did Cincy or Marion burn any bridges leaving the CIFL? Would anyone know this?

My sources have told me the answer is a "definite maybe." There are probably bad feelings, but they could be worked out if both sides desired. The teams would need to make the contact, I believe.

[chuckyman]

even if there were bad feelings they would work it out because all in all. if the are going south with UIFL as t hings are showing. They both need each other. for the good the game and the sport as a whole egos will have to be pushed aside because I know marion and Cincy both had great traditions and fan bases it would be dumb to ignore that fact.

[JeffKuntz]

My sources have told me the answer is a "definite maybe." There are probably bad feelings, but they could be worked out if both sides desired. The teams would need to make the contact, I believe.

Hypothetically if Cinci and/or Marion wanted back in to the CIFL for 2012 the only way possible would be if they cut a big enough check to satisfy the other owners.

Let them back in for free? Why? So Dayton and Saginaw can have their championship hopes reduced significantly? So all the teams that have published schedules and stuff can redesign and reprint it? So expansion teams trying to build relationships with sports editors can put out a press release showing that the CIFL is as hokey as every other league letting teams in 2 months before the season opens?

Money talks, though. So if Cinci and Marion wanna leap back for 2012, I imagine enough money could make it happen.

[exit322]

Hypothetically if Cinci and/or Marion wanted back in to the CIFL for 2012 the only way possible would be if they cut a big enough check to satisfy the other owners.

Let them back in for free? Why? So Dayton and Saginaw can have their championship hopes reduced significantly? So all the teams that have published schedules and stuff can redesign and reprint it? So expansion teams trying to build relationships with sports editors can put out a press release showing that the CIFL is as hokey as every other league letting teams in 2 months before the season opens?

Money talks, though. So if Cinci and Marion wanna leap back for 2012, I imagine enough money could make it happen.

If they were to call the CIFL offering to pay whatever league dues were owed the league (if any exist, which I'm sure they do in these cases), the schedule would be reworked without much trouble. It's not like having a schedule where three teams play 5 home games, two play 6, and one plays 3 is going to get any hokier because two new teams had to be jammed in.

[JeffKuntz]

If they were to call the CIFL offering to pay whatever league dues were owed the league (if any exist, which I'm sure they do in these cases), the schedule would be reworked without much trouble. It's not like having a schedule where three teams play 5 home games, two play 6, and one plays 3 is going to get any hokier because two new teams had to be jammed in.

Allright.

Which 4 of the 6 teams are gonna vote to let them in?

[Sonofanump]

Why would they not want them in? Would you want a watered down championship, or do you want a solid league? I’d also gather that Erie would be a good solid city to have a franchise in. I don’t know if Canton is a UIFL only franchise or if they come also to make it even.

Hypothetically, let us look at two cities near the other franchises; Toledo (large city, great ownership, great facility) or South Bend (might have good fan base & facility). Would you rather join:

Cincy, Marion, Erie & Canton or;

Dayton, Pt Huron, Indy, Saginaw, Evansville & Villa Park?

[JeffKuntz]

Why would they not want them in? Would you want a watered down championship, or do you want a solid league? I’d also gather that Erie would be a good solid city to have a franchise in. I don’t know if Canton is a UIFL only franchise or if they come also to make it even.

Hypothetically, let us look at two cities near the other franchises; Toledo (large city, great ownership, great facility) or South Bend (might have good fan base & facility). Would you rather join:

Cincy, Marion, Erie & Canton or;

Dayton, Pt Huron, Indy, Saginaw, Evansville & Villa Park?

I wouldn't if I was them.

In 2013 they will reshuffle the deck as always. But 2 months before the 2012 season is set to begin? It's a case of who needs who.

[exit322]

Allright.

Which 4 of the 6 teams are gonna vote to let them in?

They all would if they think having better quality football is good for the product. While I've always said the fans don't care so long as it's competitive...history speaks that if it's a league where the Silverbacks can go 8-2 or so, the quality can't be good.

Marion and Cincy would up that in a big way, given they'd be the favorites to play in the title game once more.

[JeffKuntz]

They all would if they think having better quality football is good for the product. While I've always said the fans don't care so long as it's competitive...history speaks that if it's a league where the Silverbacks can go 8-2 or so, the quality can't be good.

Marion and Cincy would up that in a big way, given they'd be the favorites to play in the title game once more.

Its not October. It's January. Schedule is set. Teams are set.

If teams f'd up aligning themselves with the wrong league and left you for dead, you owe them nothing.

If I'm the CIFL I demand payment or tell them to apply on 2013. From Marion or cincinnati's perspective hell ya I'd want back in. But I can't just expect them to let me in after they've got their plans all set.

[Commando678]

As a small member of the Rage Front Office, I wouldn't be opposed to letting them back in this year, maybe as exhibition teams that can fill in some bye weeks.


In all reality, I would think that Erie, EKY, Cincy (please no I), and Marion should start their own mini league for the 2012 season then join the CIFL next year.

No idea why people are sleeping on the rage... We have a top tier coach who had other options (AIF, PIFL, UIFL,) who chose our owner because he is a DEDICATED man who will not sully his good name with a sham of a product.

We have a fierce sales staff that is working hard, look at all of our sponsors. What start up has that many sponsors?

[JeffKuntz]

Why would they not want them in? Would you want a watered down championship, or do you want a solid league? I’d also gather that Erie would be a good solid city to have a franchise in. I don’t know if Canton is a UIFL only franchise or if they come also to make it even.

Hypothetically, let us look at two cities near the other franchises; Toledo (large city, great ownership, great facility) or South Bend (might have good fan base & facility). Would you rather join:

Cincy, Marion, Erie & Canton or;

Dayton, Pt Huron, Indy, Saginaw, Evansville & Villa Park?

Let's forget Dayton and Saginaw for a minute. I'm Indy or one of the 3 expansion teams trying to build a fan base and build a program ......

I'm already gonna get spanked by the sting and silverbacks, so do I want more games against other expansion teams that my fans can see us competitive in or do I want 3 to 4 more games of 60 point losses against teams who shouldn't have even playing me?

Again it's all hypothetical. I don't know anyone with cinci or Marion. I have nothing against those teams. I'm just saying the only people who benefit from a 2012 entry in to the CIFL would be those two teams. Ergo you must compensate them or wait until next year.

[Sonofanump]

I see your point about blow outs (but I would include Pt. Huron in the list of potential good teams, they had good players and competed on the field before ownership left town) but I would contend that if you are Indy, it is your job to get better.

My point is who is the better product, and therefore who will bring in the most fans and sponsors. I really don’t care about this league or that league. I’d like a league that is regional and consistent with ownership and talent.

[Sonofanump]

No idea why people are sleeping on the rage... We have a top tier coach who had other options (AIF, PIFL, UIFL,) who chose our owner because he is a DEDICATED man who will not sully his good name with a sham of a product.

We have a fierce sales staff that is working hard, look at all of our sponsors. What start up has that many sponsors?

That is great to hear for the admin part. What about the players on the field? Any Sheenan, Harris, Mauk types?

[exit322]

Its not October. It's January. Schedule is set. Teams are set.

If teams f'd up aligning themselves with the wrong league and left you for dead, you owe them nothing.

If I'm the CIFL I demand payment or tell them to apply on 2013. From Marion or cincinnati's perspective hell ya I'd want back in. But I can't just expect them to let me in after they've got their plans all set.

I don't think Marion or Cincy would want back in. If the UIFL implodes they'll probably do their own thing for a year before more formally organizing things. They've already seen the CIFL, and if it had impressed them in any way...they wouldn't have gone the Haines route.

[Sonofanump]

I don't think Marion or Cincy would want back in. If the UIFL implodes they'll probably do their own thing for a year before more formally organizing things. They've already seen the CIFL, and if it had impressed them in any way...they wouldn't have gone the Haines route.

They need to play someone, and regionally keeping travel expenses down is a must.

[JeffKuntz]

I don't think Marion or Cincy would want back in. If the UIFL implodes they'll probably do their own thing for a year before more formally organizing things. They've already seen the CIFL, and if it had impressed them in any way...they wouldn't have gone the Haines route.

And that position is fine of course.

But you should have sent this reply to post 37, to the guy who started this conversation today.

[BananaCat]

Hypothetically if Cinci and/or Marion wanted back in to the CIFL for 2012 the only way possible would be if they cut a big enough check to satisfy the other owners.

Let them back in for free? Why? So Dayton and Saginaw can have their championship hopes reduced significantly? So all the teams that have published schedules and stuff can redesign and reprint it? So expansion teams trying to build relationships with sports editors can put out a press release showing that the CIFL is as hokey as every other league letting teams in 2 months before the season opens?

Money talks, though. So if Cinci and Marion wanna leap back for 2012, I imagine enough money could make it happen.
Agree with you that it shouldn't be free for them to come back.

As far as the CIFL being hokey, they definitely are. They've let teams in less than a month before the season began in the past.

[SignGuyDino]

Maybe if those two teams sold majority interest to some other groups, they would be let back in. Then it wouldn't be the new owners that burned the bridges to begin with.

Just an idea.

I'm more concerned about the NEXT Haines project if the UIFL is going down. He hasn't suggested indoor lacrosse yet, you know.

[exit322]

And that position is fine of course.

But you should have sent this reply to post 37, to the guy who started this conversation today.

How so? I didn't make any statements at #37 to indicate anyone was doing anything, just that it could be done if they so desired.

[integrity]

Doubt CIFL would let the Commandos back in, they didnt tell CIFL they were leaving they announced it on facebook.

[integrity]

Let's forget Dayton and Saginaw for a minute. I'm Indy or one of the 3 expansion teams trying to build a fan base and build a program ......

I'm already gonna get spanked by the sting and silverbacks, so do I want more games against other expansion teams that my fans can see us competitive in or do I want 3 to 4 more games of 60 point losses against teams who shouldn't have even playing me?

Again it's all hypothetical. I don't know anyone with cinci or Marion. I have nothing against those teams. I'm just saying the only people who benefit from a 2012 entry in to the CIFL would be those two teams. Ergo you must compensate them or wait until next year.

Chic,Indy and dayton I can see. But Saginaw is legit and from looking at there signings so far evansville is the team to beat. Saginaw@Evansville will be your title game!!!! Dayton was crap last year and have signed nobody new of note, Rashawn Askew is old!!! Commandos signed him for 1 game and cut him.

[newiflfan]

As a small member of the Rage Front Office, I wouldn't be opposed to letting them back in this year, maybe as exhibition teams that can fill in some bye weeks.


In all reality, I would think that Erie, EKY, Cincy (please no I), and Marion should start their own mini league for the 2012 season then join the CIFL next year.

No idea why people are sleeping on the rage... We have a top tier coach who had other options (AIF, PIFL, UIFL,) who chose our owner because he is a DEDICATED man who will not sully his good name with a sham of a product.

We have a fierce sales staff that is working hard, look at all of our sponsors. What start up has that many sponsors?

Well, for starters, it would probably help to discuss the Rage in the proper board...

[Commando678]

I was just stating on how I would feel (as a member of the rage) if they would be let back into the league.

Ok, so here is an amazing idea my friend had. I can take NO credit for this idea. Assuming (ego and burned bridges aside) UIFL folds. Cincy Marion Eky Erie or any other STABLE team, join the CIFL and stay in its own devision and only play each other. Then the two champions of each devision can meet in a championship game.

This would fix the re scheduling problem and the teams having problem with no league affiliation!

[chuckyman]

That sounds like a great idea I think someone who ever may need to reach out to those teams and see if they would be interested in that.

[integrity]

Well, for starters, it would probably help to discuss the Rage in the proper board...

Sorry didnt mean to upset you. Others were discusiing it so I threw my two cents in.

[integrity]

Sorry didnt mean to upset you. Others were discusiing it so I threw my two cents in.

Sorry i misspelled a word, i know how you hate that.LOL.

[Sonofanump]

I was just stating on how I would feel (as a member of the rage) if they would be let back into the league.

Ok, so here is an amazing idea my friend had. I can take NO credit for this idea. Assuming (ego and burned bridges aside) UIFL folds. Cincy Marion Eky Erie or any other STABLE team, join the CIFL and stay in its own devision and only play each other. Then the two champions of each devision can meet in a championship game.

This would fix the re scheduling problem and the teams having problem with no league affiliation!

Should not be much of problem, not many rule differences except the uno for FG on kickoffs. I often wondered if the APFL winner would take on the CIFL winner.

[JeffKuntz]

I was just stating on how I would feel (as a member of the rage) if they would be let back into the league.

You don't have to qualify your right to give an opinion.. that's what OSC is for dude..


Ok, so here is an amazing idea my friend had. I can take NO credit for this idea. Assuming (ego and burned bridges aside) UIFL folds. Cincy Marion Eky Erie or any other STABLE team, join the CIFL and stay in its own devision and only play each other. Then the two champions of each devision can meet in a championship game.

It's one idea.. one that would solve some problems for those clubs.. but then if I was one of those teams I'd think it'd make more sense to start up our own league rather than be a CIFL step-child.. just my opinion..

[Commando678]

The cost and legal documents would be way to much of a pain for them to do I for once. Although they all could go independent and just schedule each other. But I think the UIFL will just have major contraction and limp to its death this year.

[jerry101jlh]

Even though the CIFL continues to reinvent itself each year, there are still no real signs of stability. Orphan UIFL teams might be better served to start their own league.

[Sonofanump]

Even though the CIFL continues to reinvent itself each year, there are still no real signs of stability. Orphan UIFL teams might be better served to start their own league.

The reduced travel cost and potential visting fans due to close proximity should make it worth while to play each other.

[preeths]

A highly placed source has stated a press release on the 2012 UIFL lineup should be issued late next week.

[gatek99]

A highly placed source has stated a press release on the 2012 UIFL lineup should be issued late next week.

how many teams does everyone think?

[chuckyman]

Honestly don't know if the league will play this year. I have inside info from player personnel, and financial side of the league and point blank....Cecil van Dyke is putting out another dime. He has lost about 250k to Haines and we won't invest another dime. The league hasn't been paying their office people since November so you know. and though they have been quiet that have all come to the realization of the crook Haines is. and from the looks of it alot of the solid teams will end up making their own league for right now if this goes down like they all are expecting. but at most I'm saying there will be 6-8 teams and all of the created expansion teams except save maybe one of the florida teams is a wrap.

[Commando678]

Haha and how will that team survive.

[Sonofanump]

how many teams does everyone think?

I’ll guess 7 in the north:
Marion
Cincy
Erie
Canton
Johnstown
Huntington
Pikeville

Even if one or two could survive in the south, who wants the expense to go play them? Would they have a travelling team to make it an even 8 if Covington does not exist?

[BananaCat]

Well, I said this would happen when Haines started expanding so fast, but I didn't think it would crumble this bad before the season started...lmao. Maybe people will finally stop trusting Haines after this?...yeah, doubt it (there's always someone who doesn't do their research or is too trusting).

[nksports]

Well, I said this would happen when Haines started expanding so fast, but I didn't think it would crumble this bad before the season started...lmao. Maybe people will finally stop trusting Haines after this?...yeah, doubt it (there's always someone who doesn't do their research or is too trusting).

He's done indoor football twice, and hockey once. What's next? Quiddich?

[SignGuyDino]

Maybe Haines can "buy" the ABA out from Newman next.

Or start up an indoor lacrosse league.

[Commando678]

Haines says on the UIFL site that 10 will survive with cincy going to the south. I would rather them sit out this year. Seriously how do people keep trusting this guy?!?!?!!? I told the commandos (before I took up my position with the rage) that they should not join this league. DO people just not pay attention to the past?!?!?!?!!!!

[exit322]

Haines says on the UIFL site that 10 will survive with cincy going to the south. I would rather them sit out this year. Seriously how do people keep trusting this guy?!?!?!!? I told the commandos (before I took up my position with the rage) that they should not join this league. DO people just not pay attention to the past?!?!?!?!!!!

Cincy was just lucky last year that the Preds folded after they went to Cincinnati, or they'd have likewise lost a home game.

Another big reason they left? Look at the scoreboard:

Home game scores:
53-7
82-2
47-22
41-7
81-0
50-20
71-13
44-29

For all the flack that Haines leagues deservedly get, teams don't play seven blowouts at home in any year. There will be blowouts (all indoor football has this, let alone low-level). But Cincy's schedule will (speculation) replace Indianapolis, Dayton, and Chicago with Florida, Lakeland, and Erie...none of which they're going to blow out 9 times out of 10.

I was an Ohio Valley Greyhounds fan. Constant blowouts get boring. Don't think management didn't see this when they constantly played games that weren't fun. Even if it didn't hurt attendance in 2011, it would in the future.

[Sonofanump]

Haines says on the UIFL site that 10 will survive with cincy going to the south.

So is it Cincy, the two Florida teams and who else in the south? Pikeville & Huntington?

[bonkers]

Some leagues, like this one, Announce teams for cities, throw in some guy carry the GM Title with some promises of part ownership or small salary plus Percentage of sales. They start selling advertising and tickets and if they dont sell enough, then the big threat of the team folding, gets used.
This will them sometimes get the league a buyer for the team which is what they were after from the very beginning. If a buyer doesnt come forward, they fold and move on. The initial sales of advertising pays the employees while this is all happening, therefore the league isnt out much cash.
The teams who do have legit owners are shafted too, because they were basing there travel costs on the teams that were in the league and now with some folding, there costs just went way up. With so many teams being added so quickly, you knew something was going to go wrong.
As far as teams going back to the CIFL, I would say they would take about
any team, if you judge it from there past track record. They add teams but 85% of them leave the league.

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So is it Cincy, the two Florida teams and who else in the south? Pikeville & Huntington?

The south could be quite far north. I don't think Huntington survives. Speculation: The 10 will be:

Erie, Marion, Cincinnati, Florida, Lakeland, Canton, Johnstown, Western PA, Mississippi, Eastern Kentucky

[SignGuyDino]

Haines also hasn't done any indoor lingerie league. Maybe that's next?