more ABA revised history

[meyes]

The release about the Indiana Alleycats schedule says that the ABA is returning to Indiana after a nearly 30-year absence and continues to say that the current league began play in 2000 with seven teams.
The facts are that when this ABA started it included 8 teams which included the Indiana Legends. The Legends played at Hinkle Fieldhouse the first season then at The Pepsi Coliseum and Arlington High School the second.
Not only that but the league had, and has continued to have, its' headquarters in Indianapolis.
This league is not going to build any credibility by trying to rewrite history.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Meyes-
I knew you would jump on this. And it is also ironic that the guy who now runs the league - RAN THE LEGENDS.

Obviously, he made such a great impression that his own league and home market forgot about him and the Legends.

[meyes]

Actually, I suspect Joe is hoping the people of central Indiana have forgotten, or will forget about the Legends.
Joe did own the Legends, but the day-to-day operation in the first year and until early in the second was left largely to the GM. Joe's biggest mistake was not paying enough attention to what the GM was doing.

[slapshot]

I guess in Joe's twisted way of thinking, if he doesn't acknowledge it, then it didn't happen!

[meyes]

Joe has done it again.
In his "Ask the CEO" answer today he claims the original ABA invented the 3-point shot. That rule originated in the short-lived ABL. The ABA DID adopt that innovation and popularize it.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Actually, the NCAA experimented with the 3-point shot in the 1940s (2/7/1945, to be exact). Here is a link:
http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/m_basketball_records_book/2001/playing_rules_history.pdf

As for "inventing" the dunk - wrong again:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n7_v220/ai_17932941

The ABA did make the dunk more popular, especially with their slam-dunk contests.

[Chuck the Writer]

Actually, the NCAA experimented with the 3-point shot in the 1940s (2/7/1945, to be exact). Here is a link:
http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/m_basketball_records_book/2001/playing_rules_history.pdf

As for "inventing" the dunk - wrong again:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n7_v220/ai_17932941

The ABA did make the dunk more popular, especially with their slam-dunk contests.

Perhaps Unca Joe means that the league was the first professional squad to have a three-point arc. In that, he is also wrong - the American Basketball League (1961-63) had a 3-point arc, and the Eastern Professional Basketball League (today's CBA) added a 25-foot 3-point arc in the 1964-65 season, two years before the ABA originally formed.

[patmc16]

If the Legends didn't exist, who did the Dogs play in their inaugural game? Maybe they didn't play this game. I remember being there, but if Crazy Joe says they didn't exist, maybe I just imagined the whole thing. If they didn't play this game, do you think Unk will refund my $$? Or maybe I really didn't spend the $$. Maybe Cobo doesn't really exist either, which means the Detroit Pistons must not have existed until the Pontiac Silverdome was built. :D :roll: :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/patmc16/DetroitDogs12-26-00.jpg

If you attend a game and one of the teams doesn't exist, did you really buy a ticket? :roll:

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

ASK THE CEO - A CORRECTION

11-Oct-2005
Following a recent "Ask the CEO" answer regarding the ABA's part in
the 3-point shot, the slam dunk, and the 3-D play, I received an email
from Chuck Miller who differed with the answer. He said:

1. Long before the original ABA used a 3-point line, the CBA
instituted a three-point arc in the 1964-65 season, back when the
league was the Eastern Pro Basketball League. And before then, the ABL
(1961-63) offered a 25-foot 3 point arc.

2. Kids were dunking back at Rucker Park in New York City long before
the ABA ever dunked a basketball. So too did the Globetrotters and
Eastern League (pre-CBA) players. Did the ABA have a slam-dunk contest
before the NBA? Yes they did. But that doesn't mean that dunks were
born in the ABA.

3. As for the 3-D play, while doing research on an unrelated project
in the Basketball Hall of Fame, I cam across documents that in 1981,
CBA commissioner Jim Drucker tested a 3-D rule with a high school
basketball tournament with plans of making that rule standard in the
CBA (this is not unusual, Drucker instituted several rule changes that
had varying degrees of success, including a "no foul out" rule and a
"no blocking in the box" rule that lasted about half a season. While
the ABA did indeed popularize the 3-D play (the ABA named it 3-D),
they neither were the first or even the second league to use a 3-point
line and the slam dunk too place long before the league existed.

Chuck. Thank you for this information. I stand corrected. And your
interest is appreciated.

Chuck, nicely done. But you are still a silly, obsessed individual...
:wink:

[cdawg]

POOR MISGUIDED UNCLE JOJO..........IF IT ISNT NOW IT NEVER HAPPENED AND IF YOU LEAVE FOR BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS IT NEVER HAPPENED.........AND IF PEOPLE ARE OWED MONEY FROM A PREVIOUS VENTURE IT NEVER HAPPENED.............DENIAL ISNT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT...........TOO BAD THE DOGS,DAWGS AND THE LEGENDS NEVER MADE IT..............THE ABA2000 WAS A GOOD IDEA BUT MIS MANAGEMENT KILLED IT I CONSIDER THIS NEW ABA NOTHING MORE THEN SINGLE A ALL THE GOOD PLAYERS(MEN AND WOMAN)ARE OVERSEAS IN THE D-LEAUGE OR THE CBA.............MAYBE UNCLE JOE WILL TAKE HIS MEDS AND LET HISTORY BE