will Sioux City,Austin, and West Michigan fold? Maybe not Still not official

[1234510]

There still has been no official announcement on any of these teams and the league schedule comes out friday..my guess is all of these teams will be in the ifl for the 2011 season, and as we have seen this off season the teams who do fold are making the announcement the next day not waiting months,but like i said my guess is all of these teams will be in the ifl for 2011!!!

[Caballo Diablo]

my guess is all of these teams will be in the ifl for 2011!!!


My guess is no.

[storm2010]

They are all done. West Michigan went dark for 2011 but I doubt they come back. I do hear a new team will be announced by end of the week! and new division allignments and schedule will be released in the next 10 days..

[1234510]

They are all done. West Michigan went dark for 2011 but I doubt they come back. I do hear a new team will be announced by end of the week! and new division allignments and schedule will be released in the next 10 days..

the schedule comes out fiday, and west michigan may not be done, one of my sources tell me its a big possibility they will play either in the ifl or cifl, but we will see friday when the schedule is released, and the new team is probally oklahoma city yard dawgz...

[realitycheck]

The league's not going to put out an official release saying "hey, we lost teams" - kind of like they haven't put out a release on the Billings situation. If they do acknowledge it at all, it'll be a one sentence mention in the press release announcing the new schedule - just like last season with El Paso. Tommy B's got to maintain expectations of growth and stability, after all.

You won't see anything from the teams themselves because either A) they don't care or B) the lights are on but nobody's home.

[1234510]

The league's not going to put out an official release saying "hey, we lost teams" - kind of like they haven't put out a release on the Billings situation. If they do acknowledge it at all, it'll be a one sentence mention in the press release announcing the new schedule - just like last season with El Paso. Tommy B's got to maintain expectations of growth and stability, after all.

You won't see anything from the teams themselves because either A) they don't care or B) the lights are on but nobody's home.

the league wont but the team will..

[storm2010]

West Michigan WILL NOT play in IFL in 2011.. Let them go to the CIFL!
The schedule WILL NOT be released by Friday...

[Bouncer_Texxx]

A Friday, perhaps, just not this Friday. My money is on Nov 19.

[jerry101jlh]

League officials told me before end of month on schedules.

[1234510]

West Michigan WILL NOT play in IFL in 2011.. Let them go to the CIFL!
The schedule WILL NOT be released by Friday...

this article states that the schedule will be released on oct.15th (friday) and if that is not enough proof go to the fairbanks grizzlies website they have a countdown timer set to expire when the league schedule is announced (friday oct.15th)

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=4102058

[Bouncer_Texxx]

How long have you been following indoor football? The schedule will be out when it comes out and not a day before that, regardless of what Kent and Fairbanks hope for.

[1234510]

How long have you been following indoor football? The schedule will be out when it comes out and not a day before that, regardless of what Kent and Fairbanks hope for.

you sound stupid, what did they just pull a date out of the air? but on another note i just got the official word, w.michigan is done!!!!

[Bouncer_Texxx]

No, I am sneaking up on a decade of indoor football... If I sound stupid to you, so be it, the grizzled veterans here will back me up. The schedule is supposed to be out on the 15th, sure.. but if OKC come to the IFL tomorrow, it'll take two weeks to re-do the schedule. We all saw it last year when teams were leaving the abondended 2nd tier of the AFL.

[LewInDenver]

Bouncer speaks the absolute truth. I dont think they have EVER made a deadline. Sometimes it's there fault, others not. You might want to get off on a better foot then calling out long time posters on this board. We may not always agree, but when it comes to schedules coming out, ALL will agree, that you might as well play pin the tail on the calender to pick your date.

OKC was a "almost" last year at the deadline when the other af2 teams joined.

[Micah008]

Last year the schedule didn't officially come out until December 15th. And even then it didn't include some of the teams because they were not really done with it.

http://goifl.com/media/newsarchive/index.html?article_id=2135

If they actually announced the list of teams and divisions by Friday that would be impressive enough for me. But the full schedule... not based on history.

[newiflfan]

the league wont but the team will..

Not the ThunderHawks. There hasn't been a peep from them since June.

Back in July there was a GR Press (http://www.mlive.com/sports/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/07/despite_losing_record_and_fina.html) article about the team and its money troubles. If you look down in the comments, the team GM posted, stating that the team was going to launch an intense community relations campaign... yeah, hasn't happened yet.

The franchise has zero communications, you won't hear an announcement that they're done, switching leagues, whatever.

[Caballo Diablo]

what did they just pull a date out of the air? We always thought they just threw darts at the calendar.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

Naw.. I noticed there was never a schedule release after the 20th.. so it occured to me perhaps they use some D&D dice, a 12 sided die for the month, and a 20 sided die for the day..

[Micah008]

The Facebook page for the Spartans also says that the schedule will be released this Friday... so that is what the league must be telling the teams.

I guess we will all see soon enough if that is real or not.


Edit:
And now they deleted it from their Facebook page... not sure why, but thought it was interesting that it was there for a bit and then pulled.

[sportznut]

Crazy times we are in

[jerry101jlh]

The IFL expects to have a draft of the schedule done tomorrow and be in a position to announce teams, divisional alignments and the 2011 schedule all next week.

[Micah008]

Quote on why the posting was removed from Facebook: "The goal is for the schedule to be released on Friday. The league office has not officially announced that day as the date for the schedule to be released. Therefore the posting was removed."

[flyonthewall]

Robert Winfrey

Former Director of Operations for the Southern Indoor Football League
FORMER??? care to elaborate???

[sportznut]

Resigned, on Wednesday, apparently accepted today.... Didn't matter if it was accepted or not though.

The vision we had at the beginning, what drew me to be involved and build it, is not the direction it is heading. It was time to go.

[BananaCat]

Resigned, on Wednesday, apparently accepted today.... Didn't matter if it was accepted or not though.

The vision we had at the beginning, what drew me to be involved and build it, is not the direction it is heading. It was time to go.
Sorry to hear that. I hope everything else is going good for you though.

[BlackbeardsGhost]

Resigned, on Wednesday, apparently accepted today.... Didn't matter if it was accepted or not though.

The vision we had at the beginning, what drew me to be involved and build it, is not the direction it is heading. It was time to go.

You retain my deepest respect because you were always real, honest & maintained the highest level of integrity during your service to the SIFL. Sadly, you are correct in that the SIFL has strayed from it's stated mission.
My God bless you with a new opportunity in the very near future. The sport can ill afford to lose Robert Winfrey.

[IndoorExpert]

Resigned, on Wednesday, apparently accepted today.... Didn't matter if it was accepted or not though.

The vision we had at the beginning, what drew me to be involved and build it, is not the direction it is heading. It was time to go.

Well we have all heard it straight from a very legitimate source. A person that has been very good for the SIFL. In his OPINION, the vision the SIFL stated at the beginning is NOT the vision they continue to keep. Thanks for sharing, and good luck with another assignment.

[Gusher]

Resigned, on Wednesday, apparently accepted today.... Didn't matter if it was accepted or not though.

The vision we had at the beginning, what drew me to be involved and build it, is not the direction it is heading. It was time to go.


I guess that means you will be free to catch even more games this year.

[jerry101jlh]

Well we have all heard it straight from a very legitimate source. A person that has been very good for the SIFL. In his OPINION, the vision the SIFL stated at the beginning is NOT the vision they continue to keep. Thanks for sharing, and good luck with another assignment.

As opposed to my uninformed and less legitimate opinions lol. yes, just joking. Robert is one of the good guys, has seen enough bad in his time and certainly will be missed. I know his poision with the SIFL brought him under fire upon occasion and was a tough job at times, but also know he did the best that he could to make this sport better.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

If Tommy would open up the IFL's wallet and let you do what you do from where you are, I could think of a great job for ya.

[newiflfan]

So, possible twist in the West Michigan story...

Heard from a former player that the team has got a new owner, and that they will be playing in the IFL in 2011. At this point such a comment has to be taken with a grain of salt, but I'm curious to see what the case actually is.

[storm2010]

So, possible twist in the West Michigan story...

Heard from a former player that the team has got a new owner, and that they will be playing in the IFL in 2011. At this point such a comment has to be taken with a grain of salt, but I'm curious to see what the case actually is.

Put it to rest! They are NOT playing in the IFL in 2011. They went dormant for the season. Divisions are set, 1st draft of schedule has been released. There will be tweaks through the next couple days and final schedule will be released late this next week. West Michigan is NOT on the 2011 schedule!

[Caballo Diablo]

Robert is one of the good guys, has seen enough bad in his time and certainly will be missed. I know his poision with the SIFL brought him under fire upon occasion and was a tough job at times, but also know he did the best that he could to make this sport better.

+1

I always enjoyed chatting with you and seeing you at the games. Good luck to ya whatever path you choose.

[Caballo Diablo]

How long have you been following indoor football? The schedule will be out when it comes out and not a day before that, regardless of what Kent and Fairbanks hope for.


you sound stupid, what did they just pull a date out of the air? but on another note i just got the official word, w.michigan is done!!!!

I missed the press release for the schedule Friday, could you give us the link?

[newiflfan]

Put it to rest! They are NOT playing in the IFL in 2011. They went dormant for the season. Divisions are set, 1st draft of schedule has been released. There will be tweaks through the next couple days and final schedule will be released late this next week. West Michigan is NOT on the 2011 schedule!

Dude, chill out. Personally, I don't give two craps if the team returns to the IFL or not. I'm just sharing something that a trusted and reliable source had told me.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

And I hate to jump on ANYONE with Storm in their screen name, but if you recall AFTER part of the schedule was even release last year we addd and subtracted teams, so save me the attitude. W Michigan might well be done for 2011, but then again... maybe not.

[Micah008]

...Divisions are set, 1st draft of schedule has been released...
Where is this "release" at? And I agree, even when it is released that doesn't mean they haven't changed it before.

[daytonadan]

If Tommy would open up the IFL's wallet and let you do what you do from where you are, I could think of a great job for ya.

Hell, Rob's 5,000 times more capable of running a league than Tommy B...

Bouncer, glad to see someone finally got that point. Yes, if people with Rob's skills could do what do they do from where they are, a lot of the 2 years could have been avoided ... BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ... move to Richmond and get a salary that makes you food stamp eligible .... oh well, things happen for a reason.

Case in point, I got to file a story from a team bus yesterday ...
http://www.b-cuathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/101610aaa.html

[jerry101jlh]

Wait, giving the wrong impression of what Rob did as Director of Operations for the SIFL. Rob lives in the Beaumont area, does hold down a full time non related football job. He lives approximately an hour from the league offices, so not a bad distance to travel to be at the hub where a Director of Operations should be. He also did not sit on his butt on game nights, he traveled to games, communicated first hand with owners, coaches and even other fans. He took his responsibilities seriously, but to give the impression he just sat in Beaumont, way away from the league offices is not correct.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

Yes, this is true... my apologies if I insinuated that. I was merely pointing out that although it’s helpful to live near the hub of operations to be a successful Public Relations representative, it is most certainly not required providing all of the information is available to you in a timely and accurate manner. That last part is the downfall and frustration for Robert, Dan and the completely obsessed fans like me when it comes to all of indoor football

[jerry101jlh]

Yes, this is true... my apologies if I insinuated that. I was merely pointing out that although it’s helpful to live near the hub of operations to be a successful Public Relations representative, it is most certainly not required providing all of the information is available to you in a timely and accurate manner. That last part is the downfall and frustration for Robert, Dan and the completely obsessed fans like me when it comes to all of indoor football

Someone who runs the media for a league a different story as opposed to the Director of Operations who needs a more hands on approach. I'm no dummy, know the media can be handled via remote, but as you point out does require information in a timely and accurate manner. I still do not believe its the best way though.

[Caballo Diablo]

1st draft of schedule has been released.

Where is this "release" at? And I agree, even when it is released that doesn't mean they haven't changed it before.

1st drafts are "released" to the teams, not the public. It's basically to double check and make sure there are no arena conflicts.

Oh, and sometimes stall - lol


There will be tweaks through the next couple days and final schedule will be released late this next week. I think that's why they call it the "1st draft."

[1234510]

does any one know if west michigan is out or in?

[daytonadan]

I still do not believe its the best way though.

Well, here's what I believe ...

I believe in the soul, the c--, the p---, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good caffeine free coke, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days....

Sorry. I get to go to Durham this week and plan to visit the ballpark...

BTW, Jerry, it doesn't matter what you believe or I believe, just as long as the works gets done properly, and for once in these daily mental mind exercises of yours, please attribute one source or have a least once source go on the record?

[preeths]

You've made your point. Jerry's also made his that some sources don't want to be named. I can't see how that point hasn't been grasped. I feel comfortable that Jerry received the information from someone close enough to know the details.

[daytonadan]

You've made your point. Jerry's also made his that some sources don't want to be named. I can't see how that point hasn't been grasped. I feel comfortable that Jerry received the information from someone close enough to know the details.

Just sayin' Paul. Your credibility is on the line here as well ... well, a little, Career-wise, you're almost bulletproof with your body of work.

95 percent of what you publish from Jerry wouldn't make into a mainstream media publication, print or online. Heck, it's to the points where even High School player features need two sources.

[preeths]

Again, I'm comfortable with Jerry's source on this one. I've been able to independently confirm many pieces of this story.

[newiflfan]

does any one know if west michigan is out or in?


Not sure yet. My source has always been very trusted, and they indicated they were told "in", but there's always the chance they were given bad info. I'm going to guess the only way to know for sure is if and when a team takes the field for training camp in January/February.

[jerry101jlh]

Let's be completely honest. No matter what I write I'm the one putting myself, my credibility, on the line. I don't ask any to to hang themselves out there with me. Yes Paul, at times, sticks his neck out there with me, but he also does check my so called news with his own sources before publishing it.

As to not making main stream news, who cares. I've chosen this venue as it has the larger readership of those who follow this sport and is picked up by other similar sites. The readership that cares the most, has the most to lose is here, not in the New York Times.

I challenge any and all to do something for the sport besides just read, Dan included. Its easy to throw punches at those who are willing to speak out. Easy to pick apart their work. If its such a big deal to some, then get out there and do better. I'd enjoy the company out of this sometimes very thin and weak limb.

[Caballo Diablo]

95 percent of what you publish from Jerry wouldn't make into a mainstream media publication, print or online.
Kinda like the 50 yard game itself.

The entire sport is a sub-culture ignored by the media and the masses. Remember what happened when the previous AFL tried to go mainstream?

[daytonadan]

SIGH....Some people just don't want to improve their station. We need Chris Black back. That dude was real.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

Not sure yet. My source has always been very trusted, and they indicated they were told "in", but there's always the chance they were given bad info. I'm going to guess the only way to know for sure is if and when a team takes the field for training camp in January/February.

The W. Michigan T'Hawks playing football and them being in the IFL are two totally separate things. CIFL, perhaps?

[Bouncer_Texxx]

and to speak to whatever became of this thread with Dan and Jerry..

Look, Dan's assertion that if indoor football, as a whole is ever to be taken serious by the mainstream media, it has to jump through several specific jourlalistic hoops, none of which the sport as a whole is willing to embrace as it requires effort. Jerry's pieces are no different than 75 percent of the bloggers that cover major sports, most of the time sources don't wish to be named, and rumors wind up being true more often than not in this game.

Dan unique journalistic background lends itself to quality Public Relations with regards to the standards and practices of commercial journalism, however just accomplishing those things wouldn't make or break an indoor football team or league with regards to overall support of the bulk of the fanbase.

The moral to my rant here is that any league is only as strong as its weakest team, and if people in your community don't know when and where games are taking place, and if the product is de-valued to the point where season ticket holders feel slighted, or you have more comps than paid, then you've got problems a slick pre-game press release won't solve.

[jerry101jlh]

Let's not talk about Dan and I, but about the issues facing the sport. Dan has his opinion and I have mine on what may or may not be responsible journalism, but that issue is not one facing the sport. It would if what I wrote was just pulled from my imagination, but isn't.

Issues facing the sport today in all of the leagues will have an impact on the future of the game. Its those issues that need to be aired and debated. I realize this is just a message board, but it is one of the best spots to get a message over to leagues and teams. Most will say they pay no attention, but in reality they do.

[daytonadan]

Here's one of my issue, Jerry -- you based everything coming from Hager and Tufford off press release quotes and second-hand information. Did you ask Hager and Tufford for clarification on some of the issues, especially where you said that "but in reality Tufford may not have even seriously looked at those markets and instead was spending the majority of his time trying to get the AIFA East out from under John Morris."

That's a serious accusation to make without bothering to make an attempt to contact Tufford.

And this one comment -- "I'm concerned that Gary Tufford and friends may very well be on the way to destroying yet another league. He has two failures, the AIFL and WIFL, to his credit already."

That's borderline slander.

The WIFL was frakked up by owners, not Tufford and me. Blaming staff for demise of the WIFL is like blaming your PR for the demise of the NIFL. I consider my WIFL work some of my best ever to this day, so yeah, you've really got me pissed off now. You pulled that one from your imagination.

Jerry, you might have gotten some things right with this one, but your complete contempt for not properly following up on some of the other is just an insult to quality and to those of us who are trying to do it right.

You wanna be the beacon of information, fine. Just step up your game.

[jerry101jlh]

Here's one of my issue, Jerry -- you based everything coming from Hager and Tufford off press release quotes and second-hand information. Did you ask Hager and Tufford for clarification on some of the issues, especially where you said that "but in reality Tufford may not have even seriously looked at those markets and instead was spending the majority of his time trying to get the AIFA East out from under John Morris."

That's a serious accusation to make without bothering to make an attempt to contact Tufford.

And this one comment -- "I'm concerned that Gary Tufford and friends may very well be on the way to destroying yet another league. He has two failures, the AIFL and WIFL, to his credit already."

That's borderline slander.

The WIFL was frakked up by owners, not Tufford and me. Blaming staff for demise of the WIFL is like blaming your PR for the demise of the NIFL. I consider my WIFL work some of my best ever to this day, so yeah, you've really got me pissed off now. You pulled that one from your imagination.

Jerry, you might have gotten some things right with this one, but your complete contempt for not properly following up on some of the other is just an insult to quality and to those of us who are trying to do it right.

You wanna be the beacon of information, fine. Just step up your game.

You're right, I'm wrong. Now we can get back to the subject of football?

[daytonadan]

Get your facts straight and I'll chat all night.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

with regards to the potential ploy to eliminate indoor football, please feel free to comment thoughtfully on the following thread, thanks
http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?p=144340

[newiflfan]

The W. Michigan T'Hawks playing football and them being in the IFL are two totally separate things. CIFL, perhaps?

That's sort of what I was wondering. My source was specific about IFL, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if they were misinformed about the league. Guess time will tell.

[preeths]

Dan, take your beef with Jerry to PMs or emails. Jerry has contacted and attempted to contact the principals involved. I can understand your personal regard for Mr. Tufford and respect your right to defend him, but Tufford has been given the opportunity to respond. Your personal issues with Jerry need to leave the board.

[Gusher]

So because Jerry said it and the "principle parties" have not responded (I guess on this message board) It must be so? Is that what this is about?
By the way I am the type that would like to see the plan before I tear it up, stomp on it, set it a blaze, and CR@P on it.
Call me old fashion.

[daytonadan]

Ain't personal, it's professional.

So Jerry can call out people but people can't call out Jerry ... Hmmmph.

[preeths]

The boards are for discussing the teams and leagues, not your personal or professional grudges.

[preeths]

So because Jerry said it and the "principle parties" have not responded (I guess on this message board) It must be so? Is that what this is about?
By the way I am the type that would like to see the plan before I tear it up, stomp on it, set it a blaze, and CR@P on it.
Call me old fashion.

Of course not. It means that the reports he's received have been vetted to the best of his ability at this time. Yesterday, I spoke to people with two teams who again provided confirmation of the SIFL-AIFA talks, and I received an email from another source regarding the potential "af2" aspirations. Now, of course no one has to agree with Jerry's interpretation of the ramifications of the plan, but when it comes to the plan itself, it's not a figment of Jerry's imagination.

[jerry101jlh]

So because Jerry said it and the "principle parties" have not responded (I guess on this message board) It must be so? Is that what this is about?
By the way I am the type that would like to see the plan before I tear it up, stomp on it, set it a blaze, and CR@P on it.
Call me old fashion.

Gusher I agree with you for the most part, especially on seeing any so called final plan. Whether any at the top of the AIFA/SIFL, or AFL will admit it I believe there is a plan being formulated by reports I have received. These reports didn't come from this guy said that this guy said that, but those who actually have heard discussions and plans first hand. But that aside I don't feel the SIFL acquiring the AIFA and then moving to be part of a new af2 the big issue. The bigger issue in my opinion is a few at the top in the AIFA and SIFL deciding the destiny of the teams in their respective leagues without them having a voice. We're not just talking about the teams, but also the communities and fans who support them. If this plan should become reality how many might be lost because they simply can't afford the new model or costs which in all likelihood will be substantially higher than what they originally signed on for.

[Gusher]

Jerry I hear ya I am just saying if all that you say is true I am sure each team will "kick the tire" on this thing before they buy it. At least I would hope so.

[Caballo Diablo]

The bigger issue in my opinion is a few at the top in the AIFA and SIFL deciding the destiny of the teams in their respective leagues without them having a voice. We're not just talking about the teams, but also the communities and fans who support them. If this plan should become reality how many might be lost because they simply can't afford the new model or costs which in all likelihood will be substantially higher than what they originally signed on for.
This is also my main concern.

It seems the ones at the top are looking out for their bottom line only and turned their backs on the teams/owners, fans and markets that have been supporting them.

It's a complicated and difficult plan to acomplish, but if it does come to fruition I only hope the CIFL, IFL, and UIFL can help the fans and markets that will be cast aside.

[jerry101jlh]

Jerry I hear ya I am just saying if all that you say is true I am sure each team will "kick the tire" on this thing before they buy it. At least I would hope so.

I'm betting on a good set of retreads myself. True doesn't mean it will become reality as I've said, is the plan. There are many angles here that could kink any plans, but if this plan does become reality I'm sure other leagues would take a good luck at any cast aside.

I realize a few don't see Benizio as a good commissioner, but I've been told by more than one IFL owner that he does the best job he can with the perimeters set for him by the teams. Key word, by the teams. If this AFL plan was with the IFL I wouldn't be looking at it from the same angle as it would be the teams, not one or two people making the decision.

[1234510]

Put it to rest! They are NOT playing in the IFL in 2011. They went dormant for the season. Divisions are set, 1st draft of schedule has been released. There will be tweaks through the next couple days and final schedule will be released late this next week. West Michigan is NOT on the 2011 schedule!

thats not true...and i KNOW that.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

thats not true...and i KNOW that.

Look, we've all been around the block more than a few times, it IS true that the teams all got to review a 1st draft of the 2011 IFL schedule last week. I think the IFL has moved on as far as W Michigan is concerned, they're a better fit in the CIFL anyway geographically and financially.

[exit322]

Look, we've all been around the block more than a few times, it IS true that the teams all got to review a 1st draft of the 2011 IFL schedule last week. I think the IFL has moved on as far as W Michigan is concerned, they're a better fit in the CIFL anyway geographically and financially.

They should never have left the CIFL. I think Rochester figured out how well that did them on the financial side, too.

[jerry101jlh]

They should never have left the CIFL. I think Rochester figured out how well that did them on the financial side, too.

I think we can agree some teams better suited to some leagues more than others due to cost, location, etc. Not a reflection on the CIFL or IFL or any other league good or bad.

[exit322]

It's not a reflection, but the "LOOK AT HOW GREAT THE IFL IS!!!" didn't really make up for the added cost.

[daytonadan]

Hey Paul, prechance I can retort to Jerry's opine without incurring your ire?

[BananaCat]

Rochester was never concerned about the money the past four years until they couldn't back up their claims about beating the best of the best. Three years ago they were bragging they could beat Louisiana and Sioux Falls in a champion versus champion matchup. Although they left the CIFL over a dispute with unfair treatment as far as them being the only team to be current on all league payments, they had no qualms about joining the AIFA and spending money to try to play their champion...which never panned out. When they joined the IFL they finally got their wish in taking on the best and it never turned out like they thought it would. When your team falls short suddenly the money put out to enjoy your hobby isn't as worthwhile as it was before the defeats started coming. I liked their bravado though, so it was unfortunate the IFL wasn't able to get more East coast teams in the league to help them with their travel costs.

[thunderhawkfan]

thats not true...and i KNOW that.

I am putting it in the gotta see it to believe it but I am hearing the same rumor that not only will the Thunderhawks be back but it is in the IFL. They may not be on the first draft of the schedule but as it has been stated on this board, teams were being added late last year so that could change. It is going to be interesting. The one thing that is true is that the off season in the IFL is as interesting or more than the regular season. I really wish the team would make a statement concerning 2011.

[exit322]

Dave McCarthy was never concerned about the money the past four years until they couldn't back up their claims about beating the best of the best. Three years ago they were bragging they could beat Louisiana and Sioux Falls in a champion versus champion matchup. Although they left the CIFL over a dispute with unfair treatment as far as them being the only team to be current on all league payments, they had no qualms about joining the AIFA and spending money to try to play their champion...which never panned out. When they joined the IFL they finally got their wish in taking on the best and it never turned out like they thought it would. When your team falls short suddenly the money put out to enjoy your hobby isn't as worthwhile as it was before the defeats started coming. I liked their bravado though, so it was unfortunate the IFL wasn't able to get more East coast teams in the league to help them with their travel costs.

Fixed. Barto was the money guy, and he finally got tired of hemoraging money for something that was only going to lose more and more.

[storm2010]

I am putting it in the gotta see it to believe it but I am hearing the same rumor that not only will the Thunderhawks be back but it is in the IFL. They may not be on the first draft of the schedule but as it has been stated on this board, teams were being added late last year so that could change. It is going to be interesting. The one thing that is true is that the off season in the IFL is as interesting or more than the regular season. I really wish the team would make a statement concerning 2011.

2nd Draft was released today and still NO West Michigan... Maybe they will be the fill in team and float from league to league if another team can't finish their season.. ;)

[jerry101jlh]

West Michigan is up in the air, not in, not out and schedules can be redone.

[super390]

Maybe they should rename themselves the West Michigan Schrodinger's Cats with the promise that if anyone sees them play, they will die.

[thunderhawkfan]

Maybe they should rename themselves the West Michigan Schrodinger's Cats with the promise that if anyone sees them play, they will die.

I hope not, I was the one that saw them play last year.:mrgreen:

[BananaCat]

Fixed. Barto was the money guy, and he finally got tired of hemoraging money for something that was only going to lose more and more.
:rolleyes:

I know you quit following indoor football from your very public announcements, so you must have missed all of Bob's bragging along with Dave. Check out some of his many posts and discussions on this board, that someone with your handle was a part of.

[newiflfan]

I hope not, I was the one that saw them play last year.:mrgreen:

And at some games you were very nearly the one!

I don't even want to know what I'm in for, seeing as I spent all season roaming the sidelines. :rolleyes: :D

[super390]

I meant that the cats would die, not the observer.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

Perhaps in the West Michigan case the cats would die of embarrassment.

[storm2010]

third draft and NO West Michigan.. Should be finialized tomorrow and released publicly Mon / Tuesday of next week..

[newiflfan]

third draft and NO West Michigan.. Should be finialized tomorrow and released publicly Mon / Tuesday of next week..

Uh, ok. I've already stated that my source very well might have been told the wrong league. I know who gave my source the info, and I don't doubt at all that they gave incorrect league info, be it purposely or not.

All in all, though, it would appear that nothing is officially final until the games start.

[Caballo Diablo]

nothing is officially final until the games start.I was always told nothing was final until the fa..., err gravitationaly challenged lady sings.

[IndoorExpert]

I havent heard anyone say that the Richmond Revolution are folding. However, their Head Coach, IFL MVP Quarterback Bryan Randall, and several other starters are all signed with the Richmond Raiders of the AIFA East/SIFL or whatever league they are now. This basically means that the AIFA team is out dueling the IFL team for off-season supremacy in Richmond. I have also heard the Raiders are doing pretty well off the field as well. Does anyone have the real scoop on the Revolution?

[BlackbeardsGhost]

What I am hearing is that the Revolution's ownership group is totally focused upon completing that sports complex and (as such) are willing to "punt" the team down the road for a few years in terms of their priorities. They'll field a team in 2011; yet not much will be invested therein.