Gbl playoff's

[TOROSFAN]

What is everyone's take on the playoffs? They are not far away and there may be some real travel issues this year. Money issues as well

Possible senarios:

* I think Calgary will win the 2nd half...if they go 11-10 in their last 21 games the other contenders will have to win 15 or 16 and lose only 4 or so...so CALGARY WINS 2nd half.

* Chico has already won the the 1st half so this sets up a US/CANADA playoff...very expensive...for GBL and teams. So, lets say 3 in Chico, and then 2(if necessary), and they will be, in Calgary....BIG $$$. Calgary in US playing TJ so not a bad trip to Chico.

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* Maui has won the 1st half and looks to win the 2nd half with their unbelivbeable home-cooked schedule. Thats means best overall record for their opponent and that looks to be OC. Another expensive playoff...and a real problem as OC plays @ Maui their last 6 games. Does the GBL think they can keep OC their for the full 5 game playoff series, a total of 11 games away and no home playoff games for OC...here we go, if Maui gets home-cooked again then controversy will fly!!

* I predict GBL can not do that and Maui gets 3 games and OC gets 2 home games (if necessary), which they will be.

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* So, if all trends hold I believe Chico will win the series 3-2 in a barn burner, and Maui should cover 3-2 in a war. That brings us to another travel issue for the championships...Maui vs Chico. Since Maui is in the US(if they win it in Chico), the first 2 should be in Chico then they would travel to Maui for gms 3,4,and 5...big $$$$ again. Can everyone afford this? They have to, it's only fair that a team get their home games and gate also.
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**WHAT IF Calgary beats Chico...I hope everyone gets their passports and papers ready for a slam bam last 3 weeks of the season...you guys play this one out.

* Lastly, I think the champs are Chico or Calgary, if they beat Chico in round 1.

Going to be an interesting decision for GBL.

[stg2010 front office]

gonna have to do something about the disgraceful homer-ump situation in Maui, though.
Too bad the GBL is too gutless to put legit umps there.
Am I making it up?
you be the judge. as of today:
on the road, the team is 10-14
at home, 26-7

anybody who's had experience with mainland collegiate teams traveling to Hawaii knows what I'm talking about, too.

[Lunkhead]

There is one umpire from Maui and the rest from the GBL, the loses for St. George were due to a team that could not put runs on the board not the calls. And maybe from the great team manager that got drunk everyday on Maui or the crappy attitudes of the players that were staying at the GW. The record of St. George was not due to the umpires but due to the players and coaches. Maui wins at home because they put runs on the board not umpires the last 2 series have had only umpires from the GBL and no Maui umpires so explain my friend.

gonna have to do something about the disgraceful homer-ump situation in Maui, though.
Too bad the GBL is too gutless to put legit umps there.
Am I making it up?
you be the judge. as of today:
on the road, the team is 10-14
at home, 26-7

anybody who's had experience with mainland collegiate teams traveling to Hawaii knows what I'm talking about, too.

[JFeld127]

if only everyone could be lucky enough to get a forfeit win that provided the difference in winning the first half....

Maui has been a tough team this year, for sure, but not having to make their 8-game road trip to the mainland a couple weeks ago kinda sucks.

[stg2010 front office]

lunkhead...focus, if you can...

I was talking about Maui's homer umps, not the Roadrunners' manager or team, or the hotel.

there was ONE GBL ump and 2 homers, the last I time I talked with an ump...which was 2 weeks ago...and he had just gotten back from there. If the GBL has changed things up since then, great.

But, stay with me now lunkhead...I was talking about their record, lunkhead, THEIR record. 10 and 14 on the road, 26-7 at home...explain THAT.

Their road record indicates they are an okay team, not bad, not great. A little less than a .500 club. I'd take that.

Their home record, on the other hand? Please don't tell me it's the ono or the plumeria. Although it could be the John Cruz tunes, I'll give you that.

The league has to send over the umps for any playoff games, what's your problem with that? If Maui wins, cool, if not, still cool.

But don't allow their homers to ump the games.

As noted, Maui backed into the first half win. The GBL is hardly known as a bastion of integrity and there is a reason for that.

[TOROSFAN]

As noted, Maui backed into the first half win. The GBL is hardly known as a bastion of integrity and there is a reason for that.

SAY AMEN stg

[TOROSFAN]

WOW...as if 27 home games in a row isn't enough for the "maui homer na koa ikaika" , the GBL is now considering playing the 1st round of the playoffs in Maui...all 5 games if necessary...ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! enough is enough and it's time for them to get their as*** on the plane and travel. This would be another first in baseball where the other team gets no home field draw. I know, someone will think this is great and will save $$...bull. The GBL has enough issues and this will lead to massive complaints from sponsors, vendors, and especially fans.

Not to be outdone, I am sure Calgary will win 2nd half and start the playoffs in chico...will the GBL try to do the same thing and have Calgary play all 5 in Chico??? If they want to lose the Canadian teams, that is a sure fire way to do it...once again, vendors, sponsors and the great fans that put the money in the bank would be left out in the cold.

What say you?

[Sinsan]

How in the world can the GBL figure out money or travel for the playoffs? God help us. The Yuma team is coming back from Maui,going to play a series starting Thurs night in OC--sounds pretty simple--there's lots of airports in so cal,right? Logistics tells you they all get on the same plane,same time,right? Oh, hell, no. They are coming back in 3 flights. One set of 13 guys WENT TO SACRAMENTO!!! They are waiting for someone to pick them up and take them to the Greyhound station--oy vey-- to leave at 11pm and travel ALL NIGHT ,stopping in every podunk town, to get to OC who knows when to be fresh to play their game in the evening? Who in the world made these arrangements? OMG stupidity abounds--and these same people are supposed to figure out playoffs,where and when? good luck with that

[indyproball]

Players not getting paid, park leases not being paid, vendors not being paid, 3 flights WITH bus rides?

You got to give credit, they are still in business, they are surviving, but what a great book this season will make!

I just hope all the workers compensation premiums are paid to date. If I was a player, I would DEMAND a certifcate of insurance.

Getting hurt and having coverage denied would be the worst thing that could happen!

[skippy]

WOW...as if 27 home games in a row isn't enough for the "maui homer na koa ikaika" , the GBL is now considering playing the 1st round of the playoffs in Maui...all 5 games if necessary...ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! enough is enough and it's time for them to get their as*** on the plane and travel. This would be another first in baseball where the other team gets no home field draw. I know, someone will think this is great and will save $$...bull. The GBL has enough issues and this will lead to massive complaints from sponsors, vendors, and especially fans.

Not to be outdone, I am sure Calgary will win 2nd half and start the playoffs in chico...will the GBL try to do the same thing and have Calgary play all 5 in Chico??? If they want to lose the Canadian teams, that is a sure fire way to do it...once again, vendors, sponsors and the great fans that put the money in the bank would be left out in the cold.

What say you?

Albuquerque Dukes vs. Hawaii Islanders 1980 PCL Championship.

[Sinsan]

Well, hey the Greyhound made it to ORange county--30 minutes ago! Thats 6 hours on the plane yesterday, to land half a state away from their destination--12 freaking hours on a greyhound with derelicks and trash,stops every 30 minutes at every town--and they have to play a game tonight--very little sleep on the bus--gotta keep one eye open at all times! Unbelievable the treatment--now go and play in the heat of so cal,no one has any money left to eat after 8 days in Hawaii,they are tired,hungry and pray to God no one gets hurt cuz they are beat!

[Lunkhead]

Everybody has something to say, but I bet none of you own a team and would not even know what it takes to run a team. Basically, the numbers don't compute between the lack of revenue and extreme amount of expenses, then the lack of fans. Now if you close down then everybody such as the bloggers would say it is unfair to the fans and the players. So, instead of complaining come up with something that works and you will be a hero to Independent Ball.:eek:

[nksports]

... would not even know what it takes to run a team.

I know what it takes to run a team (which is why I don't own one), first and foremost, $$$ and lots of it.

[stg2010 front office]

lunkhead, lunkhead, lunkhead...

a lot of us here DO have experience with the league and we DO know EXACTLY what it takes to run a team, and what it costs to equip a team, and what it costs for the team to travel, and what it costs to feed a team at home, and what it costs to keep the office open and staffed, and what it costs just to open the gates for a home game.

We also know what it's like trying to deal with the Ponzi scamsters running the league.

As long as the GBL maintains their current management nothing will get better.

Who pays the price?

Team investors and the guys still chasing their dream.

What happened in ST. George is a shame. The ownership group was conned, pure and simple. They took a huge financial risk to be part of a game they love, and lost it all.

They're big boys and aren't crying about it, but learned the hard way what Outcalt and Kaval are all about: themselves.

What happened in Yuma is disgraceful, bordering on criminal in my opinion.

Outcalt and Kaval threaten and bully, but they will cross the wrong person and someone will call their bluff before too long.

I believe the GBL house of cards is about ready to collapse.

[TOROSFAN]

Thanks Skippy...took alot searching I bet...I couldn't find any in a hour of search...1980...long time

[E-TownCaps]

Well with the playoff matchups all but set who is everyone predicting to take it all? In the north Im taking Calgary in 4 over Chico, and in the south Maui in 5 over Orange County. In the finals I hate to say it but the Vipers win back to back championships beating Maui in 4 games. Best of luck to all the teams in the post season.

[LivefromChico]

I guess my hat's off to those of you who still give a rats arse about where the playoffs are going to be and who is going to win them. I certainly feel bad for the players, but as Super Chicken used to say, "you knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred."

The Outlaws closed out their regular season last Thursday night by being outdrawn by the Chico State soccer teams playing Western Washington University a few feet away. I'm sure the attendance numbers, if they are ever posted again, will say some malarky like 2,600, but the reality is closer to 350 were in attendance.

Another interesting thing - I picked up one of the foul balls that was hit and it was a NORTHERN LEAGUE ball. Does that mean the GBL has run out of baseballs again? Didn't they once have a team that traded a player for a bunch of bats?

This whole deal is like Bull Durham meets the Bad News Bears meets House of Games (great movie about con men if you've never seen it!)

[TOROSFAN]

Calgary wins 1st round in rain and 40 degree weather over Chico in Calgary...then Calgary will meet OC in an upset ( if OC splits in Maui ), otherwise it's Maui (which I think Calgary wants) and Calgary mashs their pitching as they are a GBL homer club that plays well at sea level and never travels like the rest...lets see how they like 45 degrees at night and 20 mph winds @ 4000 ft, not ZERO ft...Calgary finishes it off in Maui and shows them how to play baseball, kicks their A** and walks on their dirt for a repeat championship...YES!!

[GBL South Rules]

Here's the problem with your logic...if you like OC over Maui:

Cal/Maui split their two games played early in the year in Calgary. Maui had their #4 starter go in the loss. In their win (a route), Maui had their #1 or #1A pitching (Ethridge/Brandt...they're interchangeable). Maui set two all-time records this year; team winning percentage AND lowest team ERA). Statistically, Maui IS better than Calgary.

Now let us go back to your original prognostication, OC will beat Maui. Remember rudimentary math? If A (Orange County) is bigger than B (Maui). And B is bigger than C (Calgary), A MUST BE BIGGER than C.

BTW, even if Calgary beats Maui in the championship series, they can't "walk on their dirt for a repeat championship". Here's why, Maui has the best league record and will opt to have the first two games at home. The last time I checked, you can't win a 5 games series in 2.

I understand your enthusiasm but you really should have the facts right...your feelings and predictions can remain subjective.
:-D

[TOROSFAN]

Lets start with Maui vs Calgary...a split..4-0 cal, 10-3 Maui...4-0 was a win vs their #3...loss was Cal #5 vs Maui #1....still a split.

Don't care if they play 1st 2 games in Maui...a split it will be based on edm and vict in Maui...vic 3-3, edm 3-4...and they were home..edm whipped Cal but Calgary played a much tougher schedule as rated by Massey...Maui overall #2, Calgary #3, SoS Maui #9, Calgary #2.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/ratings/?lid=119


Maui strength of schedule a joke: 47 GAMES AT HOME, 35 on the road...27 in a row at HOME...my GOD what a homer award!!Heres who they played...another JOKE!!
6 vs TJ..haha
7 vs St G...ha
6 vs Tucson...horrible in1st half
8 vs Yuma...new team...hahaha
13 vs canada...7-6 record...legit teams
8 vs OC...4-3 after tonight...legit team
27 games vs lower SOUTH teams @home
On the road vs Yuma, TJ, Tucson and St G...8-5...weak teams only 8-5
Easy to win at home at sea level and a month in a row!!
I agree that Maui is the stronger Pitching team, but it is overrated being at sea level vs 4000 ft. Calgary will out hit for power and will matchup defensively...they will play well in warm weather as a bonus and Maui will dread going to Calgary in 40 degree weather and rain and have to leave their warm beds and travel with a split.
Also you probably don't know their team is in a bit of turmoil over paychecks being late and finances, lost another player...could affect them...Calgary has been there and is hungry to repeat...experience is a plus...4 yrs in a row in playoffs.

This is all predicated on both winning their 1st round, so I will wait to see those results...but calgary wants Maui.

Oh yea...how can you say the South rules when you have 2 of the worst teams in independent ball history...and with yuma in the 2nd half...maybe 3...2nd half 18-65...overall...51-122...totals...69-187...WOW!
North...2 worst teams 2nd half...30-50...overall...68-101...totals...98-151...

NORTH RULES!! 227-204....527... vs SOUTH 202-225....473

Stats don't lie...

oops...forgot..if Cal and Maui win, Maui will have 4 travel trips Maui to OC, Maui to Maui, Maui to Calgary and Maui back to Maui...last trip only relates to money which they don't have...I hope it doesn't affect them.
Cal only 3...they are in US...Calgary to Calgary, Calgary to Maui and Calgary back to Calgary


Good debate!

[WallysWorld]

Calgary over Chico in 4.
Maui over Orange County in 5.

Calgary over Maui in 4.

No chit-chat, just predictions.

[dodgersnusc]

Well, I never missed a game for my three seasons as GM for the Flyers from 2005 - 2007, but since I did not make it to a single game in 2010, my play-off prediction is strictly due to personal relationships.

I would be happy with either OC or Chico winning, since I worked for OC for three seasons, and I worked with Garry Templeton for those three years...either way works for me.

Also, I like Maui because I am friends with Cory Snyder and Mark Okano...so, no offense, Calgary, but since I have personal ties to three of the four teams, therein lies my loyalties...

Of course, with my luck in picking winning baseball teams (OC won the GBL the year AFTER I left, and I am a Dodgers and Cubs fan), this probably means Calgary is a lock to win it all!

Fight On! (yes, USC fan and employee, as well...don't get me started on USC football and Reggie Bush...).

Ed

[GBL South Rules]

Again, you've completely dismissed facts as "it doesn't matter" (celebrating on Maui's dirt...)

OC and Maui have no control of SOS. You play the teams that are on your schedule. But since you've brought up the subject...

ALL SPORTS teams are subject to...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY !!!

Let's look at the second half of the season...

Cal had a .667 win percentage (very solid). But 12 games were against St.G and Tij who won a total of 12 games in the second half.

OC had a .707 win percentage (very solid). But 17 games were against St.G and Tij who won a total of 12 games in the second half.

Maui had .769 win percentage (THE BEST). BTW, 0 (nada) games against St.G and Tij.

THESE ARE FACTS...NOT DEBATABLE...NOT SUBJECTIVE...

And stop with the home / schmome rant...it is what it is! Take a couple pills and get over it.

[TOROSFAN]

Again, you've completely dismissed facts as "it doesn't matter" (celebrating on Maui's dirt...)

OC and Maui have no control of SOS. You play the teams that are on your schedule. But since you've brought up the subject...

ALL SPORTS teams are subject to...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY !!!

Let's look at the second half of the season...

Cal had a .667 win percentage (very solid). But 12 games were against St.G and Tij who won a total of 12 games in the second half.

OC had a .707 win percentage (very solid). But 17 games were against St.G and Tij who won a total of 12 games in the second half.

Maui had .769 win percentage (THE BEST). BTW, 0 (nada) games against St.G and Tij.

THESE ARE FACTS...NOT DEBATABLE...NOT SUBJECTIVE...

And stop with the home / schmome rant...it is what it is! Take a couple pills and get over it.
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It hasn't been determined that Maui will get the first 2 at home IF they win...or did I miss that? GBL may send them to Calgary if Calgary wins due to $$, but GBL wants a Chico vs Maui series and Maui may have to stay in Chico IF that happens to play gms 1 and 2...or the whole Champioship...due to $$.

I guess you overlooked the 2nd half 19 games vs yuma-13 and Tucson-6....HALF of their games...WOW
or they dont count as weak opponents to you....figured that! Tucson only played well at the end of the season when NO PRESSURE was there...10 of 14 games vs TJ, St G and Yuma....4 vs legit edm who was out also...you forgot to count those...
These are the facts and stats...not debateable and not subjective!!

AND, if you don't think the SOS has meaning...give up sports!! 65 % of all home series/games are won by home teams. I guess you think they would have .769 win % no matter what...try harder.

OF COURSE Maui had a high win %...you make my point...weak SOS and at Home for a decade...I'm sure their are 9 other teams that would love for the GBL to sweeten their pie and keep them home because they are BROKE!! We'll see how many excuses you have for them in a week or 2...OC will take them to the end...and if they get Calgary or Chico they will lose.

And finally, you didn't answer the overall North vs South win %...you must be a Democrat...ignore the facts/stats, and spin the GBL. It's not the GBL's summer of recovery...it's their summer of realism and disaster...you should change your sign on to GBL/Maui Guy.

The debate continues tonight on the field.

[TOROSFAN]

Go call Wally's World...this site is about debate and baseball is about life, so I think we are on to something..Have a good day and good luck to your Vipers tonight.

[Baseball Dad]

My picks:
North: Want Calgary to win (son is a pitcher).
South: Either one actually. If the Vipers are fortunate enough to win, and OC wins then my boy can play in front of family & friends in SoCal. If Maui moves on then he & his team mates will get the road trip to Hawaii that for whatever reason was not in their schedule this yr. But 1st things 1st, gotta beat a tough Chico team. I've griped about the schedule enough before...it is what it is. Haven't heard too many people talk about the ridiculous 1st half schedule. Oh & Ed @ USC....Fight On!

Ed

[GBL South Rules]

Like some of the references you like to make...you missed it. Maui will get the first two games at home. Done, decided and definitive...that's what the best record gets you...your choice!

BTW, Yuma and Tucson combined for 29 second half wins while St.G and Tij combined for 12. That's almost 250% more wins for the mathematically challenged.

So Maui played 19 games against Yuma/Tucson...who won 2 1/2 times more 2nd half games than a Calgary that played 12 games against St.G/Tij...THE MATH SIMPLY DOESN'T SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT. I feel like I'm trying to convince my nephew that his father isn't the best athlete the world. He'll just tell me he can be anyone at anything no matter what I say.

Toro: "Calgary isn't the best athlete in the world" :mrgreen:

Orange County would take Calgary in 5 as well...they're just a better team.

[stg2010 front office]

Dang, GBL South, think of all the money and time O.C. and Calgary could save if they just did the math.

Or, alternatively, we can see how the play off games go.

By the way, Maui's "best record"? A joke. Typical GBL making up the rules on the fly, b.s.

As Pliny the Elder used to say: id est quod id est

[GBL South Rules]

"Men are most apt to believe what they least understand."


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stg2010 front office & TOROSFAN: Let me know if you would like me to explain.

[JFeld127]

i'm pretty sure it's starting in the North Division. It flip flops each year where it starts. This year, 1-2 in the North, 3-4*-5* in the South for the Championship Series.

[stg2010 front office]

"Men are most apt to believe what they least understand."


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stg2010 front office & TOROSFAN: Let me know if you would like me to explain.

No need to explain, South Rules. You're the poster child for that statement. all we have to do is read your posts.

[GBL South Rules]

Validation after validation. I will not continue to interact with individuals who refuse to acknowledge reason and lash out with indignant diatribes.
:(

[TOROSFAN]

South, you are being to sensitive...good debate is healthy...let's see how it all turns out...me, north ,you south...

[stg2010 front office]

waaaahhhhhh!!!!!!
I'm going home, unless you see things MY way!
waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
I'm right and you're wrong...because I SAID so!

Not going to play anymore?

We promise to miss your supercilious attitude and snide comments.

don't let the door hit your backside, on your way out.

There are guys here who have a lot of years experience with the GBL at various levels and are fully aware of the con being run, including the outrageous way the Maui team backed into the playoffs.

[High Heat]

Setting the league record for wins in a season WAS pretty outrageous. Totally on board with that. Now we need three more wins at home to silence the naysayers. But that probably won't be enough for some...

[stg2010 front office]

"...setting the league record for wins..."

I'm begging you, Heat, please. Stop it.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Just enjoy the playoffs. Maui's in the championship series. Paint your face, grab your "We're Number One" foam finger, and have a blast.

You may have deluded yourself into believing they earned their way in, but don't try to run that line of jive past anybody else.

[High Heat]

I speak Jive. And Pidgin. And am able to divide number of wins by number of games played. You can reread my earlier post which lays out a reasonable case for why the season continues for Maui. I have yet to see why opinions based in reality should be classified embarrassing. What did I miss? Please do me the favor of showing the light. Because being embarrassed in an anonymous independent minor league baseball forum is kind of your job, yeah?