View Full Version : Mike Marshall and his Wife will ruin the Outlaws!
YumaHeat
03-19-2010, 03:42 AM
Trust me when I say this as I met Mike Marshall last summer in Yuma, Az and what a true RETARD he is, sorry but it's the truth. Mike Marshall from what I heard was pushed out of yuma as he did nothing in that community nor with the team, to be honest I think himself and the CEO have pictures of each other or something, he is no good for baseball, will never ever make it in organized ball anywhere as a coach nor front office staff, it's a real sad day for Chico and best of luck for a LAME DUCK G.M. / Pres!
oldfatguy
03-19-2010, 05:58 PM
Wow. What do you really think?
JFeld127
03-20-2010, 01:07 PM
"Pushed out" of Yuma? You're kidding right?
By GBL terms, going from Yuma to Chico is one of the larger steps UP someone could take. So if he was really being pushed out, why would the GBL then send him to Chico?
fisherholic
03-25-2010, 09:36 PM
Trust me when I say this as I met Mike Marshall last summer in Yuma, Az and what a true RETARD he is, sorry but it's the truth. Mike Marshall from what I heard was pushed out of yuma as he did nothing in that community nor with the team, to be honest I think himself and the CEO have pictures of each other or something, he is no good for baseball, will never ever make it in organized ball anywhere as a coach nor front office staff, it's a real sad day for Chico and best of luck for a LAME DUCK G.M. / Pres!
Ok first of all this is the first time in a while that I have posted on here but here we go. Not sure who you have "heared" from but that's not the case with Mike. What is YOUR personal beef with him? This is obviously a direct attack on him so why not say the truth?
I have been a season ticket holder for every season of the GBL except the first year and I will say Mike is one of the BEST managers of the league. He has done very well with his players and just ask any of them that have played for him and they will all say the same thing. Are you upset because you didn't get that position?
Whoever posted this message was right on track. When the dust settles the truth will be revealed about Marshall and his wife. Don't let Chico's winning first half fool you. So much is going on there that it would make your head spin. all i can say is disgraceful.
stg2010 front office
08-24-2010, 11:35 AM
Ok first of all this is the first time in a while that I have posted on here but here we go. Not sure who you have "heared" from but that's not the case with Mike. What is YOUR personal beef with him? This is obviously a direct attack on him so why not say the truth?
I have been a season ticket holder for every season of the GBL except the first year and I will say Mike is one of the BEST managers of the league. He has done very well with his players and just ask any of them that have played for him and they will all say the same thing. Are you upset because you didn't get that position?
MightyMike? the GBL butt-boy?
The guy who was loading up the frigging ice cream machine from the concession stands at Bruce Hurst Field? The Mike Marshall who pulled out and dumped the contents of the desk drawers in the Roadrunners office?
The Mike Marshall who didn't have the balls to face the Roadrunner players and give them the word, but had the batboys' manager do it for him?
The Mike Marshall who even took the cleaning supplies out of the Roadrunners office BATHROOM?
The Mike Marshall who was loading up DSC equipment like batting screens, rakes, computers?
THAT Mike Marshall?
Yeah, he's a helluva guy. Real class act.
Oh, it's getting even better than that in Chico as we speak right now this very moment! The truth of what he and his wife are doing will come out soon, because they will have to answer questions and their excuses can't continue to cover, because the players are about to spill it. As soon as a few more things are confirmed I will post what i can.
Hawk87
08-24-2010, 06:23 PM
Some strong accusations. So what's the news then? Mike Rose did up and leave with some strong parting shots (as read in the Edmonton paper). Wasn't anything to nefarious, mostly "they didn't treat me like a ballplayer". What could Marshall be doing that's so unruly?
when you loose 3 of your most veteran players in a matter of weeks, rose left, franklin coached and played was fired , perisho traded today something shady is going on. Of course I know the facts, but bottom line is Marshall and his wife are a joke and dishonest, treat players and especially office -clubhouse STAFF like ****. They've had so many staff leave or be fired .They have not paid several people, and fired Franklin after the he helped coach the pitching staff to a record winning first half. They are using the the girl as a total pony show and paying her more than the whole pitching staff combined! I know when Players stood up to Marshall they are punished. The biggest joke is the wife who isn't even officially part of the front office- she has been out control and on a power trip rampage accusing people falsely of BS. It's crazy what's going on, but the real stuff can't be discussed because they are looking to see what legal actions are options- most likely zero, but in the end they will tell their side.
YumaHeat
08-24-2010, 11:18 PM
Fisherholic and Jfeld, i don't post bull**** in here and like i told you when its all said and done Mike Marshall the BoBo of the GBL and his BoBo wife will have a lot of explaining to do, not to mention all the managers hate his ass, and Dave Kaval loves him as he is his personal slave, more soon..
YumaHeat
08-24-2010, 11:24 PM
stg2010, well said!!! I can attest he is a thief and I totally believe everything you pinpointed in there, I will bet you the GBL front office told him to do it, he's a thief and he stole from the Scorps front office and who knows whatever else he stole, your dead on for Mike Marshall the butt pirate!
He and Temp hate each other too but that's a whole other story. his wife went ballistic yesterday on their most Veteran guy(Perisho) closer and coach who took over after they fired Franklin- and today Perishoh was shipped off to some other league - all because of the Marshall'sWIFE! Look at the numbers of the guys that have left or been fired and you tell me why they ould trade, fire or ask for their releases unless they knew this team was going into a very bad place.
alast thing it's a given that the palyers get treated like crap but what is really sad is the people who have been part of front office and clubhouse guy are all gone.
i know a ton of typos - rushing and awful typist!
LOL - well they can think what they want but the facts don't lie and people who know the real deal are so sick of their SHI* as I'm sure you know!!
YumaHeat
08-24-2010, 11:37 PM
Makes two of us, I'm sure we will get reprimanded by the pro's in here!!
YumaHeat
08-24-2010, 11:38 PM
I know a ton, just like you and it would be a 1200 page book on how the Marshalls screwed up Indy baseball.
I'm sure your rt, but frankly you can't argue with the truth- no matter how ugly.
YumaHeat
08-24-2010, 11:42 PM
The best person in Chico was Curt Jacey and that boy knows baseball, he had everything dialed in and when they moved the Marshall's in that was it, shame on Dave Kaval..
I agree! Chico is not even close to what they were- sad.
YumaHeat
08-24-2010, 11:45 PM
Sean, I love stg2010 post up above and its to a "T" as to how he is, how can people not see he is the devil child, oh but wait he has a preacher everywhere he goes so he has that 30 minutes of praying to say he is a christian for 30 minutes outta the day, then he buries the hatchet..
I will keep you posted - but somethings are going to go public here rt before the playoffs from what i hear. It's sad, because the team they put on the field to start the season was pretty damn good, and yet the players said it was the most miserable year of baseball they had ever dealt with because of what was going on behind closed doors and they would just tune out Marshall when he would show his face and do his routine.
YumaHeat
08-25-2010, 12:08 AM
Thanks Sean!! It sounds like a sad day in Chico is coming soon..
Hawk87
08-25-2010, 02:15 AM
Ok...so I asked for some substantial reasoning for the venom. I knew about Rose leaving, did not know about Franklin and Perisho. Veterans leaving in disgust is certainly a sign of trouble.
However, your rhetoric doesn't match any hard facts. Do you own a business that never was paid by the Scorpions, Yuma Heat? Sean, are you the ex-clubbie in Chico who saw things behind closed doors?
Here on the OSC sphere, we have a test called the "Joe Newman". The ABA is a blatant money grab. A league that does not play games is fraudulent. The GBL, money issues aside, plays their schedule somewhere realistically within 80-90%. In previous years, it was more stable and towards 100%. Ponzi scheme or not, the GBL has soldiers (some of us) on the ground who worked for too little money and made the baseball happen.
Everyone likes juicy gossip. However, the level of salacious slander regarding a sex scandal in Chico isn't very credible. Unpaid vendors, players, sponsors, etc...that's what I'm looking to hear.
Marshall probably draws a pretty solid salary (30k-40k) from the front office's Safeway nest-egg. I don't think he's malicious, he's just Dave and Kevin's foot solider. Iago to their Othello. If he isn't paying the checks, its because there's no money from the beast. Marshall is a baseball guy. He belongs in coaching, not front office work. Are those taking shots ever stand in the batters box in Dodger Stadium, in the World Series?
This could be the year the GBL finally folds. Obviously, the teams aren't profitable and the front office is running out of their initial start-up money. Did D&K make some dumb expansion ideas that put pressure on the whole financial system? YES! The league started the year with the talent bases and "name" markets (LA, Tucson, Calgary, Edmonton, Victoria, Maui) to be the true "Atlantic League" of the west. However, with teams folding overnight and being propped up with "pay to play" youngsters, it killed the baseball integrity.
Chico is a great baseball city. The University wants to keep baseball in their stadium over the summer, and should look for an ownership group to bring in a summer collegiate team. The fans would come all the same, some Chico State players would be a draw, and the overheads would be much more indusive (sp?) to turning a profit. I don't think the University wants to sign on to the GBL ownership for another 2 or 3 year lease.
Soo...either spill the beans, or write something with substance and thought about the failings of the GBL.
preeths
08-25-2010, 10:18 AM
sean and YumaHeat, tone it down. If you have legitimate gripes, list them. Childish name-calling helps no one. Also keep in mind that children read these boards. Clean it up.
stg2010 front office
08-25-2010, 01:06 PM
@preeths; understood. I apologize for gratuitous name-calling. It's not productive.
please understand though, that some of us are, and have been for a bunch of years, fans and/or involved with the GBL as field or front office personnel.
What the league has devolved to is disgraceful. We toss the Ponzi word around pretty casually, given its criminal implications, but we do know what the word means and we do know what has gone on.
I have no respect for Marshall and his wife, based on their shameful behavior and track record, but I'd hate to see Mike Marshall take the fall for Kaval and Outcalt. There is NOTHING that takes place without tacit approval from them, if not their specific direction.
I have zero doubt that those two [insert appropriate descriptive here] would toss Marshall and his wife under the bus (if they could afford to charter one) in half a heartbeat, if it meant deflecting attention and possible legal action from themselves.
There are only two reasons I can think of, why the GBL cannot and will not become the "Atlantic League of the West".
LivefromChico
08-25-2010, 02:37 PM
Wow, so much information and opinion from folks - really fascinating reading!
I can just tell you that as someone who has been in Chico for all the years of the Outlaws, most of what I read about what a joke of an operation they are (and the GBL) is true. They have lied to sponsors, not paid bills to vendors as well as the University, and, most importantly, have done nothing to try and make themselves a "benefit" to the community. Their attendance numbers are a complete joke. I can guarantee you that when they say a night's attendance is 2,467 it means there were about 450 people in the stands. Everything is done with one thing in mind - "how will it make us money??" The sham of bringing in Yoshida was just that - a sham. Give the woman credit for being brave enough to go out there, but the bottom line is that it was all about "the show" and not about baseball. She was used, plain and simple, to line their pockets. She did not have the talent to compete at this level, but that didn't matter - it got them publicity and the whole HOF crap.
Trust me when I say the University has NO interest in working with this bunch of donkeys in the future. The GBL needs to be taken out behind the barn and put out of its misery. I'll give them credit for lasting a few years longer than I anticipated based on their operations, but it's time to stick a fork in them...because they're done.
YumaHeat
08-25-2010, 05:19 PM
Hawk, first off I know of more then 5 businesses owed money, one a hotel, one a car rental and I wont say no more and trust me your salary at 30 to 40k, lol what a joke, try 60k +, sorry hawk but I know to the "T" what he makes, sorry to sound like a know it all but I do know the inside out on this league and the scorpions..
Pounder
08-25-2010, 06:21 PM
Everything is done with one thing in mind - "how will it make us money??" The sham of bringing in Yoshida was just that - a sham. Give the woman credit for being brave enough to go out there, but the bottom line is that it was all about "the show" and not about baseball.
From the stats I've seen, I beg to differ.
I think this league doesn't last as long without the gimmicks.
Affiliated ball out west already pretty much saturates the market compared to points east. The metro areas are larger, the rural areas less populated. There's not enough places in California to escape the majors and minors, and the rest of the west is too spread out. For that matter, even the California League has been threatened with losing two franchises the last few years.
Independent ball in the Midwest and East serves many markets otherwise underserved. Out west, those markets are either taken, or too small, and too far apart.
TOROSFAN
08-25-2010, 10:05 PM
Plain and simple...NO MONEY!!!!!!! Pay the girl child the Humongus bucks and then get the fans in...and then...NO MONEY!!!!!!!!!!! Even the players think it was a big joke...embarrasing to real ball players to play behind...GBL in REAL trouble folks.
TOROSFAN
08-25-2010, 10:08 PM
Question?? Do we know if her contract has a clause to pitch in the playoffs? I have heard it does...and at least one more start in reg season that won't matter...but the Playoffs...that will be interesting? Anyone know?
Ok, here's the deal and read my post VERY CAREFULLY cause I won't be posting again. I NEVER made any type of suggestions of anything sexual going on with Mike Marshall's wife- NEVER . I have never heard anything on my end about that; what I do KNOW is that she has continually gotten into to PLAYERS FACES and made threats to them- nothing sexual and I NEVER sad that. I said she is a wack job and on a major power trip and has not right to even be a part of the team. It's a joke, and her Husband needs to have some balls and be a man.
The facts that are specific can't be given in detail because I obviously am not going to through people who have had the problems with the what's going on in Chico under the bus. But it WILL ALL COME out and hopefully chico won't have these clowns around.
I'm not saying anymore, because it's obvious people feel I'm slamming Marshall(which I am) but I don't need to convince anyone of anything. I know the truth and just wanted to vent and see if anyone else had any of the same issues.
And No I'm not the clubbie , but they did go through at least two this year.
Oh, one more thing Eri -sp? was not going to be on the playoff roster initially, but that changed just recently and last I heard she will be making a start. Don't even get me started on that.
LivefromChico
08-26-2010, 05:46 PM
Well, I was at Nettleton Stadium last night, and admittedly, it was hotter than heck outside - but the "crowd" that was gathered to watch the Outlaws play could have been confused with one of the games played out at Westside Little League. My count was around 133...yes, 133 in total! Now we wait for them to post the "attendance figures" on PointStreak.com. My guess is that it will be in the neighborhood of 1,300-1,600 knowing how they count. (1, 2, 3, 5, 13, 208, 497, 786...)
Kanuck
08-26-2010, 06:59 PM
Fyi - Matt Perisho has landed in the NL with the KC T-Bones. A very classy vet. Best Wishes!
TOROSFAN
08-26-2010, 08:13 PM
Oh, one more thing Eri -sp? was not going to be on the playoff roster initially, but that changed just recently and last I heard she will be making a start. Don't even get me started on that.
That is HILARIOUS...and poor Dan the announcer...I'm sure he can't wait to get out of Chico.
TOROSFAN
08-26-2010, 08:37 PM
Well, I was at Nettleton Stadium last night, and admittedly, it was hotter than heck outside - but the "crowd" that was gathered to watch the Outlaws play could have been confused with one of the games played out at Westside Little League. My count was around 133...yes, 133 in total! Now we wait for them to post the "attendance figures" on PointStreak.com. My guess is that it will be in the neighborhood of 1,300-1,600 knowing how they count. (1, 2, 3, 5, 13, 208, 497, 786...)
well, I also watch the inflated attendance and none is as bad as TJ or Yuma...but, Chico as you said last night had 133 approx....they continually post 2000 and guess what...I printed the attendance the last 3 days and here you go...8/26 35 home games...77, 034 2200 avg....now later today...same team...86,851...2481 avg...ON THE SAME DAY.
Victoria Seals same day...99,025 to 113,776...lost ticket counter?
OC same story...36,321 to 46,614...been busy at the GBL office.
all these increses and the same # of games from this am...349...and no attendance posted for any teams...
What a joke...we support these fools so we have no excuse but the love of the ACTUAL, REAL, UNADULTERATED GAME!!
stg2010 front office
08-27-2010, 10:49 AM
If we had the attendance the league reported, we would still be playing home games in St. George and trying to figure out how to sweet talk Dixie State into signing on to a beer permit for next season.
TOROSFAN
08-27-2010, 05:02 PM
Chico had another DH yesterday and no Att figures posted...funny, now that we are watching...a fan at the game said about 300. Chico in trouble folks...it will come out soon...stay tuned. They even added the 2 DH vs ST G to see if they could win 2nd half and get ticket income....not working...
LandRoverUT60
08-28-2010, 04:23 PM
If we had the attendance the league reported, we would still be playing home games in St. George and trying to figure out how to sweet talk Dixie State into signing on to a beer permit for next season.
Well, at least you were honest in your attendance...kudos to you, from the bottom of my heart. Looks like the reason all the remaining RoadRunners' home games were cancelled (and that St. George lost another baseball team) was because the league didn't want to look bad for those kind of numbers on its site.
I'd rather lose another team when they are at least being honest, as opposed to inflating their attendance numbers to keep them around. Low attendance numbers don't seem to be limited in St. George, as evidenced by this article.
This could turn out a lot like the Pioneerzz and the WBL...St. George folds, and a year later, the whole league goes under. Only then, it was without the smoke and mirrors.
Maybe if Desert Valley of the CBL moves to Utah, they could end up in St. George. If the league still exists in 2011, hopefully that league won't stretch itself out too much and push its teams to inflate attendance numbers, then pull out when they don't. :mad:
LivefromChico
08-29-2010, 01:14 AM
Pretty nice crowd Friday night. It was like Redding/Shasta night or something like that. Who knows how many tickets were comped or handed out, but it was a decent crowd. Could be an interesting time around here next week. Can't spill any beans at this point...
Hawk87
08-29-2010, 05:08 PM
Man up and spill the beans already.
TOROSFAN
08-31-2010, 08:37 PM
Well...get ready to see the Outlaws Pre-playoff vs the Vipers...looks like they will face Chico in the North unless they can't win 3 games of 7...should start on 9/7 in chico for 2 games, then to Calgary...should be a very good series. With the underlying mess in Chico I take the Vipers in 5.
personallyeffected
09-02-2010, 06:17 PM
Mike did not "up and leave" (he absolutely loved his teammates, even talked to them all about it before) they sent him away bc he had an offer that was best for his family and professionally asked for his release and Mike Marshall responded with "sure" and then suspended him without pay, and then shiped him off to canada.
personallyeffected
09-02-2010, 06:25 PM
Ok first of all this is the first time in a while that I have posted on here but here we go. Not sure who you have "heared" from but that's not the case with Mike. What is YOUR personal beef with him? This is obviously a direct attack on him so why not say the truth?
I have been a season ticket holder for every season of the GBL except the first year and I will say Mike is one of the BEST managers of the league. He has done very well with his players and just ask any of them that have played for him and they will all say the same thing. Are you upset because you didn't get that position?
I personally know all of the players and previous players who have been under mike and dave and not a single one says they like them nor will ever consider playing for them again. They are liars and ruin ppls lives because they can and do not give a care about ANYONE but MIKE DAVE and of course the perfect MARY!!!
personallyeffected
09-02-2010, 06:37 PM
Ok...so I asked for some substantial reasoning for the venom. I knew about Rose leaving, did not know about Franklin and Perisho. Veterans leaving in disgust is certainly a sign of trouble.
However, your rhetoric doesn't match any hard facts. Do you own a business that never was paid by the Scorpions, Yuma Heat? Sean, are you the ex-clubbie in Chico who saw things behind closed doors?
Here on the OSC sphere, we have a test called the "Joe Newman". The ABA is a blatant money grab. A league that does not play games is fraudulent. The GBL, money issues aside, plays their schedule somewhere realistically within 80-90%. In previous years, it was more stable and towards 100%. Ponzi scheme or not, the GBL has soldiers (some of us) on the ground who worked for too little money and made the baseball happen.
Everyone likes juicy gossip. However, the level of salacious slander regarding a sex scandal in Chico isn't very credible. Unpaid vendors, players, sponsors, etc...that's what I'm looking to hear.
Marshall probably draws a pretty solid salary (30k-40k) from the front office's Safeway nest-egg. I don't think he's malicious, he's just Dave and Kevin's foot solider. Iago to their Othello. If he isn't paying the checks, its because there's no money from the beast. Marshall is a baseball guy. He belongs in coaching, not front office work. Are those taking shots ever stand in the batters box in Dodger Stadium, in the World Series?
This could be the year the GBL finally folds. Obviously, the teams aren't profitable and the front office is running out of their initial start-up money. Did D&K make some dumb expansion ideas that put pressure on the whole financial system? YES! The league started the year with the talent bases and "name" markets (LA, Tucson, Calgary, Edmonton, Victoria, Maui) to be the true "Atlantic League" of the west. However, with teams folding overnight and being propped up with "pay to play" youngsters, it killed the baseball integrity.
Chico is a great baseball city. The University wants to keep baseball in their stadium over the summer, and should look for an ownership group to bring in a summer collegiate team. The fans would come all the same, some Chico State players would be a draw, and the overheads would be much more indusive (sp?) to turning a profit. I don't think the University wants to sign on to the GBL ownership for another 2 or 3 year lease.
Soo...either spill the beans, or write something with substance and thought about the failings of the GBL.
Yes actually My husband has stood in the batters box at dodger stadium and yes he has won a world series and he will take shots at Mike untill something is done. My husband would be standing in the batters box with the Philies if Mary Marshal would not have gotten on the phone with them when they called to sign him and told them personal information such as our financial business and things of that sort. So they are ruining lives and there are more than just players being affected, the players famlies are as well. Thanks Mike and Mary and Dave for taking food out of our daughters mouth. Yall are stand up people!!!!
personallyeffected
09-02-2010, 06:59 PM
Yes actually My husband has stood in the batters box at dodger stadium and yes he has won a world series and he will take shots at Mike untill something is done. My husband would be standing in the batters box with the Philies if Mary Marshal would not have gotten on the phone with them when they called to sign him and told them personal information such as our financial business and things of that sort. So they are ruining lives and there are more than just players being affected, the players famlies are as well. Thanks Mike and Mary and Dave for taking food out of our daughters mouth. Yall are stand up people!!!! also one more thing, our finances would not even be an issue if they gave my husband what was in his contract, but no only about half if that. Also We have gone tree weeks twice now without a pay check so figure that one out!
TOROSFAN
09-03-2010, 02:02 AM
ok everyone...chico's season is over so let's hear the goods on Marshall...I know Chico has some underlying issues with $$ and padding attendance for the books that's why you no longer see them post them...but I have no actual facts that can be supported by an insider that will out it. Any real substance, that affects players or sponsors should be outed and dealt with...I really think some big changes are in the works for the GBL team make-up for 2011...6 teams would be the max in my eyes that can sustain the year....and who will be there to run the show??
LivefromChico
09-03-2010, 04:30 PM
I would be shocked if the Outlaws were allowed to step foot in Nettleton Stadium next year. You can only burn so many bridges...
esquirejoelong
09-04-2010, 12:35 AM
I am new here but I have been to a good amount of outlaws games and had the privlege of speaking with some of the players and boosters and just people around the stadium. And I can say that 100% of what they say about Mike and mary is true. And any one out there that wants wants facts I got'em.
TOROSFAN
09-06-2010, 09:41 PM
Let em fly esquire...alot of you say things but no one backs it up...what are you afraid of? If you can't back it up then don't say you know...if you know something, back it up...BS talks
esquirejoelong
09-07-2010, 12:04 PM
Facts
Perisho, Castro, Ortiz, Rose, Franklin, all gone because Of Mike Marshall and his wife.
They have lied to host families telling them not to take players in because the are bad kids.
None of the Outlaw players have had any problems with host families.
Two clubbies quit because of Mike
My son went to a outlaws camp and they were suppose to get some kind of gifts or something but Mike forgot to order them in time.
The players were promised new hats and helmets, never got'em
The players were told that they wouldn't bus to or from Canada, last trip they bused home.
Mary has forgot to buy airplane tickets for players
Every time they get home from a road trip there are several players that stay at the hotel, that don't have rooms because they didn't book them, and they have to wait until someone shows up to pay.
That's just some light stuff although some of it may be small. The Real problem is that They Continually lie about everything and place the blame on the team or Dave Kaval when they are the ones responsible. Everything you have read in this forum from me and others is FACT I GURANTEE
TOROSFAN
09-07-2010, 03:21 PM
Thanks Esquire....sounds like a normal day in Yuma, Maui, St G, and OC.
LivefromChico
09-08-2010, 02:51 AM
Well, I was at Nettleton Stadium last night, and admittedly, it was hotter than heck outside - but the "crowd" that was gathered to watch the Outlaws play could have been confused with one of the games played out at Westside Little League. My count was around 133...yes, 133 in total! Now we wait for them to post the "attendance figures" on PointStreak.com. My guess is that it will be in the neighborhood of 1,300-1,600 knowing how they count. (1, 2, 3, 5, 13, 208, 497, 786...)
I wrote the above on August 26 commenting on the miniscule crowd the Outlaws had the previous evening and how I bet that when they finally got around to posting the attendance for that night, it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,300-1,600 people. But the days went on and on and there were no attendance numbers posted on PointStreak so I assumed that the upper brass figured out that everyone was on to their little game and would simply not post any more attendance numbers.
But lo and behold, they have and I must say that I was FLAT OUT WRONG AND I APOLOGIZE! I had guessed that the Outlaws would come up with some mythical number of 1,300-1,600 but I'm happy to say that they didn't.
Not even close.
So I apologize for leading anyone on.
You see, while the actual count of bodies in the seats that night was 133, the Outlaws decided that at this point in the season the only logical thing they could do was lie even more blatantly than they have all season.
They posted an attendance of 2,111. Incredible...:redface:
The last game at Nettleton is tomorrow night, and I thought it might be appropriate to think of a song that could be the final one played to close out this season. Here are some ideas:
"Happy Trails" - Roy Rogers
"Go Your Own Way" - Fleetwood Mac
"Liar" - Three Dog Night
"Won't Get Fooled Again" - The Who
Any other ideas?
esquirejoelong
09-11-2010, 02:23 PM
How about this Torosfan.
The outlaws have a player that cant get into canada that has been staying in the hotel all year, and 2 days before the team leaves they tell him he cant stay there anymore and he has to find his own place to stay until the team gets back.
Mike and Mary took the teams black Jerseys so they couldnt wear them at home.
Mike forgot to order balls so they've been playing with northen league balls that they had to scramble to get, and thats the 2nd time this season thats happenend.
Mike gave the team 4 used bats to take on the road trip to canada
TOROSFAN
09-15-2010, 10:56 PM
Esquire...I have a feeling if Chico wins it all, no one will care...broke probably, but a ring...if they(GBL) can afford them. Chico may not have a stadium next year and I hope they move to Long Beach or somewhere near civilization...good team! NO ONE wants to travel to that area...very difficult, but a nice city. As for Maui, I think they have a lot of financial work to do to save that team...should be a very interesting off season!
Lunkhead
09-17-2010, 04:12 PM
TOROSFAN you have a lot of comments about the financial situation of certain teams do you work for them or are you just making unfounded comments based on rumors? If you are to discuss the issues with teams, let me ask you a question is the the TOROS moving out of tuscon and the PCL putting in a team, or is the team going out of business or joining a new league because these are rumors floating around. Is Victoria in a good financial situation? What about Orange County? What about the league? Because you seem to know a lot about Maui.
TOROSFAN
09-17-2010, 11:53 PM
Lunkhead...there are alot of things about Maui that have not been said...but they will come out after the championships...they have many issues and can keep them under wraps because they are in Hawaii. A good team with good players with some issues to resolve as most GBL teams do.
As for Victoria, they are trying to improve their stadium situation...they are pretty solid financially and have done well in 2 yrs. They should resolve their issues on the stadium...they want a permanent fence and decent yard, but their venue is constantly being re-done due to soccer, and rugby and the permanent wall would create some losses for the main owner...we'll see where that comes out.
Toros...the team has a good venue and good support...they lost a little income due to the economy, but did well vs other US teams. I don't think a move is evident as the Toros control the lease right now. There are other places they could move in Tucson, but for 2011 they look to be safe.
OC cannot draw fans and in spite of being a decent team, cannot survive without income. I am not sure they will survive in 2011, and if they do I think they will have to move to a new home...maybe Long beach? also, even though Chico will win the GBL, I'm not sure if they will be invited back to Nettleton by the University. There are alot of ?? about their viability and their infrastucture as is well documented on this blog. I doubt they will be there and a move for them would be beneficial as the rest of the league hates traveling there...tough to get to and the fan base is dwindling. A very good team with a good manager, but once again internal issues and $$ issues. Maybe a move would help.
Yuma and TJ...TJ is done...if the GBL gives this 1 more shot they WILL lose their league...Yuma...even with a new partial ownership group, I don't see them making a comeback...it would be nice but I don't think they can buy players with their history and they still owe thousands of $$ to their previous players. The town will not draw 1500-2000 a game again as they did years ago...too many broken bridges and IF they do field a team it will be a bottom feeder with 20-25 wins max.
The League...is a mess! As above, there are many issues to be fixed or dealt with over the winter....and not much time. The canadians are fine which gives hope, Tucson is fine but a long way away if there is no Yuma and TJ to help with travel, and St G also...no chance someone will buy them with the "no beer" and 500 fans and 4500 ft LL park to pitch in...can you imagine playing there in college with aluminum....WOW. Nice place but coming and going to nowhere.
Summation: GBL is best with 6 teams...Maui...1 more year to see if they can get another team on another island to defray costs for everyone on that trip, or they fold after 2011...3 Canadian teams, Tucson, either OC or Chico as the 6th in another venue...L Bch or maybe San Diego? Cut to 60-70 games...top 4 make playoffs...stop trying to be the Atl league and stop expanding league and ego. New mgmt or a drastic change is necessary...need team owned base not a GBL free sale every time someone gets into financial trouble. Vett the owners...please...set up escrow accts on salaries, travel and vendors $$. Do not rely on attendance to bail you out later in the season...put the money in at the start...probably 1/2 million per team owner...and finally, PAY the PLAYERS!!! ebery 2 weeks, and take responsibility for your (GBL) mistakes! A good league that is very close to everyone finding another place that they can play and trust leadership.
There are many on this blog that have more to say, are informed and have other ideas...I think a major change is needed and/or a major shift in mgmt ideology...that's my 2 cents worth of what I have been privy to.
stg2010 front office
09-18-2010, 11:34 AM
Excellent "State of the GBL" assessment, Toro.
Given the turnover rate, it makes no sense to me that players' salaries, meal money, travel expenses, venue rent, etc., haven't been covered by a bond...until you realize that, because a bonding company has more stringent financial responsibility criteria than Kaval-Outcalt & Company, most of the failed ownership would not be able to post such a bond.
They HAVE been able to pony up front money for the league fees, however. And that works for Scamco Enterprises, the minor league baseball subsidiary of KavCalt, Inc.
ChicoOutlawsFan
09-20-2010, 05:12 PM
I guess after the Outlaws won the GBL Championship, the Marshalls are probably saying to you guys, "We told ya so! Now eat crow!"
You may be right about the GBL's future, but they and Tempy sure proved a lot of people wrong.
stg2010 front office
09-20-2010, 09:01 PM
proved us wrong about what?
The kaval and outcalt are scum and the marshalls are worse.
As has been documented.
Templeton and the guys did a great job in spite of them.
I just hope they find a venue there in Chico for the fans in 2011.
Thor#8
09-21-2010, 01:33 AM
Anyone know if the ever popular "MARSHALLS" got a free flight with the Outlaws to attend the finals in Maui?
ChicoOutlawsFan
09-21-2010, 02:20 AM
proved us wrong about what?
The kaval and outcalt are scum and the marshalls are worse.
As has been documented.
Templeton and the guys did a great job in spite of them.
I just hope they find a venue there in Chico for the fans in 2011.
I agree that Kaval and Outcalt are using the Outlaws for their own personal playground. But Templeton has been accused by many as a "choker", because he always got his team to the playoffs and they choked under him. He proved them wrong. While I don't agree with how they ran the team, the Marshalls did do what they felt was best for the team. And it lead to a championship. I just think they are reading all of what you are writing and are just laughing their heads off as if to say, "I told you so! I told you so! Now what?" I just think they got what they wanted and now they can go.
There's only one way for the Outlaws to come back, a takeover of the league by someone who can run it and the team properly. Another is to build a new stadium. Depends on what the city is doing. Much like what is happening in Portland.
ChicoOutlawsFan
09-21-2010, 02:24 AM
Anyone know if the ever popular "MARSHALLS" got a free flight with the Outlaws to attend the finals in Maui?
I wouldn't be surprised. They feel they are entitled.
Well, if someone took over the league and kicked Kaval and Outcalt out, they'd be gone quicker than a hiccup! Which may not be too long. LOL! All of them ruined the Outlaws. That's why there were no parades or celebrations for them.
We need a new league for a Chico franchise to call home... and a new stadium! And keep all of these people out!
TOROSFAN
09-22-2010, 10:10 PM
i wouldn't be surprised. They feel they are entitled.
Well, if someone took over the league and kicked kaval and outcalt out, they'd be gone quicker than a hiccup! Which may not be too long. Lol! All of them ruined the outlaws. That's why there were no parades or celebrations for them.
We need a new league for a chico franchise to call home... And a new stadium! And keep all of these people out!
amen!! Amen!!
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