Dont drink jerry,s koolaid ifl is the premiere league!

[raidermac10]

This has got to stop cant watch him pull out the smoke and mirrors again!!!the whole business model concept that bankrupted the afl is up to his old tricks again !!!trying to proclaim he is the league and the players are leaps and bounds better in talent!!!by paying a whooping 175 dollars a game more then the ifl!! Before he was paying players 50,000 dollars a game more then the ifl and the plain truth was we could've beat that leagues teams with guys that made 200 a game and he knows it!!! Example 1 rochester raiders had a player for 200 dollars a game 3 years ago in the cifl that was maybe the 3rd or 4th best d lineman on my team by the name of rob schroeder and the afl picked him up and he made the afl,s all rookie 1st team or how about this last year when a sub level 6 team league "the cifl" had one team the chicago slaughter that picked up pretty much the whole chicago rush afl football team when it folded in the afl,including afl,s mvp quarterback russ mitchka and all arena league wide reciever eddie sippio along with a whole starting afl cast they went to the championship game and played an on the verge of bankruptcy fort wayne freedom team and had to go into overtime to barley beat them and win the 6 team leagues powder puff trophy!!!my point is the talent of the afl was the same as the ifl period!!!and this slap stick watered down verson of the afl! Where jerry sales pitch was 2 tiers and when no one bites put all the tiers together so jerry can get payed which is really the ultimate goal!!forget about league and strength integrety that was so important back in september and these mallard duck owners bit like largmouths thinkin this was the glory days where fans were oblivious to real talent anyway!! And go with the david baker motto the bigger the lie the more believable it is!!! We play in big cities they will assume were better!!its all just crap!!!afl1 just needs to take a snap out of it pill and stop professing your the big league when your just the big lie!!!!!bring it on !!!i for one will play any of your team,s anywhere and stop this nonsense!! Oh by the way we play outdoor football indoors not football on mars were 3 men are in motion an you can make bankshots off the nets!! Oh by the way just ask a guy named fred jackson of the buffalo bills how an ifl player performs in the nfl!!the swami has spoken!

[Minor League Man]

^Whoa whoa whoa. Easy on the exclamation points, por favor.

[Caballo Diablo]

Kickoff must be close - welcome back Mac!!!!!

[indoor fan]

"The talent of the AFL was the same as the IFL, period"

Wow!!! This quote, I restated with proper punctuation, should stand alone as the knowledge of what diehard IFL fans have of the indoor game. Although, I guess it is better than the other knucklehead who said the IFL and the NFL have the same talent level. Hahahaha.

As concluded earlier, the IFL is much closer in talent to the AIFA, than the AF1. And was nowhere near the talent level of the AFL (or NFL).

AF1 kicks off in April. Here is the hierarchy of the 50 yard game professional leagues:

1. AF1
2. IFL
3. AIFA
4. CIFL
5. SIFL

[raidermac10]

yeah i will agree with you about the hierarchy of indoor football cause you said it!!! "SNAP OUT OF IT" go back to fanasy land and tell molther goose and peter pan i said hi!!!! i will take my team to the closest afl1 team and play them period !!!which i think is bernie kosars cleveland gladiators and i will beat them by 3 tds at least!!!now what!!!!the challenge for the preseason game is there !!!now lets see if they call!!!! Im sure i will hear crickets cause they know i will pull their pants down in front of the nation!!!! by the way i never said our ifl ranks up there with our beloved nfl , then my friend i would be in your delusional company!!!!

[raidermac10]

good to see your on the right side this time!!!! must be football season!!!

[raidermac10]

IN 2008 WHEN WE WERE THINKIN ABOUT JOINING THE AIFA ME AND MY PARTNER PAYED THE 12000 DOLLARS TO SET UP 2 AIFA GAMES WITH TWO OF THERE TOP PLAYOFF TEAMS WHICH NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT WAS CRAZY FOR THAT LEAGUE TO INTERUPT THEIR SEASON AND LET US PLAY ERIE RIVERRATS AND THE LOADED BALTIMORE TEAM THEY BROUGHT THE NEXT WEEK BUT AS WE ALL KNOW MINK WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY AND THEY WANTED OUR FRANCHIZE IN THIER LEAGUE REALLY BAD!!WE JUST FINISHED A TWO YEAR UNDEFEATED 26 game WIN STREAK IN THE CIFL!! ANY way HERE IS YOU ANSWER !WE BEAT ERIE BY 50 WITH OUR SECOND STRING IN HALF THE GAME AND BALTIMORE BY 30 THE NEXT WEEK AND THE ONLY REASON WE WERE CLOSER IN THAT GAME IS CAUSE MINK BROUGHT HIS REFS INSISTING THAT WE WERE PLAYING AN ILLEGAL DEFENSE AND HAD THEM SHOWER US WITH 27 FLAGS IN THE FIRST HALF TILL I INSISTED A SPLIT CREW OF OUR REFS AND THEIR REFS HAD TO BE USED IN THE SECOND HALF OR I WOULDNT CONSIDOR HIS LEAGUE!!! AND WE WENT ON TO WAX THAT TEAM TOO SO IN CONCLUSION THERE GOES YOUR STATEMENT OF IFL TEAMS BIENG EQUAL TO AFIA TEams!!!!

[NatePreds05]

I think raidermacs numbers are a little off too. 1000-200 = 800 not 175. Plus I don't think a team that never got over 3000 attendance a game, plans on playing at a fairgrounds arena in 2010, and has a mixed past can criticize the AF1. Plus you fail to mention that in the season you played the AIFA teams was the same season your team QUIT a league (though the CIFL says they kicked you out or suspended you) before the end of the season. Your team owners also said they would play other indoor football league winners that year but those games never happened. So I don't think your team is a model for franchises to follow.

[Jamie]

Somebody needs to make a New Year's resolution to cut back on the crack.

[indoor fan]

I think raidermacs numbers are a little off too. 1000-200 = 800 not 175. Plus I don't think a team that never got over 3000 attendance a game, plans on playing at a fairgrounds arena in 2010, and has a mixed past can criticize the AF1. Plus you fail to mention that in the season you played the AIFA teams was the same season your team QUIT a league (though the CIFL says they kicked you out or suspended you) before the end of the season. Your team owners also said they would play other indoor football league winners that year but those games never happened. So I don't think your team is a model for franchises to follow.

I think raidermac is a "little off", himself.

[Bruiser]

Ha, Mac ur silly. Like the great Gorilla Monsoon used to exclaim, "You're a mountain of misinformation."

Not only have you butchered (Michna) or incorrectly referenced (Eddie Sippio?) player names, I do believe your IFL allows more motion than Arena does. In addition, there was no overtime required for the CIFL championship game last season.
http://www.thestatguys.com/CIFL/2009/CHI0627.HTM
Lordy how I wish that 2009 Slaughter team could go stormtroopin through the IFL this season. But no such luck, I suppose Chicago will simply put together a respectable bunch that will still clobber the majority of these IFL "real football" posers.

Although I do agree with your assessment on ol' Uncle Jerry and his AF1. He's no better than his arena predecessor and appears to just be looking out for #1.

I so enjoy when your blood pressure gets going Mac. Looking forward to watching your face turn beat red as ur head pops like a ripe pimple here in Chicago after the Slaughter clobbers ur Raiduhs. See you in about seven weeks. :cool:

[Caballo Diablo]

I think raidermacs numbers are a little off too. 1000-200 = 800 not 175.
umm, that's also misleading. How many players per team will make $1,000 per game? I'm only looking for above the table numbers - lol
Won't most of the roster be at $400 over the counter?

And wouldn't the $200 be for losing every game? I guess he averaged it out to a .500 team.;)

[Caballo Diablo]

good to see your on the right side this time!!!! must be football season!!!

I've always been on the right side!!!!! :D

[NatePreds05]

umm, that's also misleading. How many players per team will make $1,000 per game? I'm only looking for above the table numbers - lol
Won't most of the roster be at $400 over the counter?

And wouldn't the $200 be for losing every game? I guess he averaged it out to a .500 team.;)

It has been written that 3-5 players per team will be receiving $1000 over the counter per game. So AF1 players can earn over the counter up to $1000 per game.

[Caballo Diablo]

It has been written that 3-5 players per team will be receiving $1000 over the counter per game. So AF1 players can earn over the counter up to $1000 per game.
Let me fix the post for ya.

So A FEW AF1 players can earn over the counter up to $1000 per game.

I'll bet more make $1000 under the table than over. Yes, all leagues could be included here.

[raidermac10]

The raiders got suspended like the chicago slaughter got suspended!!!please sir try to see threw the smoke of a broke and owing league called the cifl!!!that said weather i have 3 fans at my game my record of 68 and 10 and goin 26 and 0 over two years without a loss, is what it is !!!!bring it on potato!!!!!lol this is fun wakin you blind men up!!!!and bruiser you know better !!!!!that team in chicago would have got beaten by 3 tds by us!!!and i will remind you who we are when we come to town in 7 weeks!!!to pop that red zit on your red neck!!!!now what! Must be football season!

[Bouncer_Texxx]

Dear Brusier,

Sioux Falls, and Billings awaits your Slaughter :) Personally I'm hoping somehow, the Slaughter and Beef meet up in the playoffs, Just so I can use slaughter and beef in the same sentance :)

wait I just did.

[Bruiser]

Dear Brusier,

Sioux Falls, and Billings awaits your Slaughter :)
Who? Them fellers not on CHi's schedule. Must of been a-scared or somethin to play the undefeated 2009 champeens of the indoor world.

At least Rochester had the marbles to compete with the Slaughter twice this coming season. The pansies out west not so much. :p

[NatePreds05]

The Raiders QUIT the CIFL before the playoffs started during a season (the Slaughter did not, they changed leagues between seasons), so I guess they didn't think they could beat the other CIFL teams for the championship, despite your claims to be able to take on and beat anyone. At least the Slaughter played the whole season and playoffs and got some nice hardware to end their season before they moved on.

[raidermac10]

The team we were suppose to play didnt show up in that crap league !!!what dont you get!!!!!! We were beating teams by 50 and we were undefeated!!!had to leave the continental insolvent fooball league it was becomming a joke!!! The commissioner worked at mcdonalds for god sake!!!!!snap out of it!!!!!

[daytonadan]

Raidermac10:

From one minor league sports professional to another: Shut up. You're embarrassing us.

[Bruiser]

Raidermac10:

From one minor league sports professional to another: Shut up. You're embarrassing us.
Oh stop yerself. The folks we elect to government embarass us all the time too, yet we continue to do it over and over again.... we love it. Thou doth protest too much Danny boy.

[daytonadan]

Bruiser, you do have a point. That fact the Raidermac has gotten as far as he has without social skills or learning how to write in a Glenn Beck-ian way proves how great a land America is....

It's almost as bad/good as arena and indoor fans arguing which game is better simply because of defensive alignments or whether or not there are rebound nets in the end zone....

[raidermac10]

obviously you dont get it !!!!this board has come alive!!!!!when you got a minute from hiding behind your balless anonymous post i,ll teach you about a new concept called sales and marketing !!!!Which by the way i have forgoton more about then you'll ever know!!!next question!

[daytonadan]

Like you don't know who I am...

Send me a private message if you don't.

BTW, why aren't there any press releases on your web site from the last six months?

[indoor fan]

Like you don't know who I am...

Send me a private message if you don't.

BTW, why aren't there any press releases on your web site from the last six months?

Maybe it's his sales and marketing plan!

[cRUSHer]

"The talent of the AFL was the same as the IFL, period"

Wow!!! This quote, I restated with proper punctuation, should stand alone as the knowledge of what diehard IFL fans have of the indoor game. Although, I guess it is better than the other knucklehead who said the IFL and the NFL have the same talent level. Hahahaha.

As concluded earlier, the IFL is much closer in talent to the AIFA, than the AF1. And was nowhere near the talent level of the AFL (or NFL).

AF1 kicks off in April. Here is the hierarchy of the 50 yard game professional leagues:

1. AF1
2. IFL
3. AIFA
4. CIFL
5. SIFL

see there you go.
You have NOTHING to base your claims on
so you resort to name calling. How typical.

and I've only been going to non-outdoor football since 1987.


Go IFL !

[cRUSHer]

further proof of the desperate, jealous & inferior nature
of the af none, is the fact that they require a toxic
presence on their fan messageboards to stir up mindless
hysteria and prejudices against the IFL.
A poster who is basically banned EVERYWHERE else

Fear is one helluva motivator.

FACT: I moderate 3 nonoutdoor football messageboards
and can vouch for the fact that IFL fans could care less
about a league that doesn't even play real football.

[Jamie]

obviously you dont get it !!!!this board has come alive!!!!!

Oh, yeah. This board is just full of life. If you call goons feeding trolls entertainment.

[Bouncer_Texxx]

AF1 kicks off in April. Here is the hierarchy of the 50 yard game professional leagues:

1. AF1
2. IFL
3. AIFA
4. CIFL
5. SIFL


1. AF1 *
- The AF1 hasn't played a down yes and it remains to be seen how well it will do at the gates of the various arenas. Certianly they have potential, but a murderous travel schedule and high arena rents and league dues might spell disaster.

2. IFL *
- The IFL lost a team on the brink of releasing the schedule plus two more during the off season, certianly not the mark of a perfect league. They did inherit a few former AF2 teams, and certianly filled a few voids with expansion and immagrants from non arena leagues. Can the IFL eliminate the off the field shenanagins and produce a league champion without any questions or "what-ifs"?

CIFL - On life support
AIFA - great eastern conference but a weak western conference basically automatically places Wyoming in the championship game to get beat, again.

SIFL - awefully quiet this offseason, and with Dan taking a sabatical, the quiet might just get more quiet, and that's not good in this A.D.D. laced world.

[raidermac10]

You guys are delusional just because kurse went out and bought his old trademarks at last months rummage sale and then just put mostly imposters in the real teams places !!figures you idiots are ready to crown them king!!!!!snap ot of it!!!god son be healed and wake up!!!! Hows bernie kosar doing in that florida bankruptcy court!!!the owner of the afl 1,s cleveland gladiators!!!!dont you boys see through the smoke yet!!!good lord!!!

[Bruiser]

Speaking of the AF1, I'm still trying to figure out where the AF1 guys are getting over $400K a piece to pay off the $6.1 mil they spent on old names and logos. I hear rumor the AF1 has already sold the Blizzard identity to the new owner up there in Green Bay (now IFL) - wonder how much it went for?

[NatePreds05]

You guys are delusional just because kurse went out and bought his old trademarks at last months rummage sale and then just put mostly imposters in the real teams places !!figures you idiots are ready to crown them king!!!!!snap ot of it!!!god son be healed and wake up!!!! Hows bernie kosar doing in that florida bankruptcy court!!!the owner of the afl 1,s cleveland gladiators!!!!dont you boys see through the smoke yet!!!good lord!!!

Ferraro is the owner of the Gladiators, not Bernie Kosar. I would not say owners like Woody Kern (longtime owner of arena teams like the Tampa Bay Storm) and the NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning are imposters. Franchises change hands in sports. It is a normal thing.

[NatePreds05]

Speaking of the AF1, I'm still trying to figure out where the AF1 guys are getting over $400K a piece to pay off the $6.1 mil they spent on old names and logos. I hear rumor the AF1 has already sold the Blizzard identity to the new owner up there in Green Bay (now IFL) - wonder how much it went for?

Jerry said there were investors in Gridiron that helped pay for it but the rest was split between the owners with each paying 1/15th of the cost. As for the Green Bay Blizzard, you got any proof to back up that rumor?

[daytonadan]

Frak everything else in this discussion ... I'm impressed that raidermac used two multi-syllable words ... delusional and hierarchy ... and spelled them both right!

[Caballo Diablo]

Ferraro is the owner of the Gladiators, not Bernie Kosar. I would not say owners like Woody Kern (longtime owner of arena teams like the Tampa Bay Storm) and the NHL's Tampa Bay Lightning are imposters. Franchises change hands in sports. It is a normal thing.
True, Bernie was the face that sold tickets because he's still a loved icon in Cleveland. His bankruptcy has nothing to do with the 50 yard game. Most of his financial problems are from being heavily invested in Florida real estate, I've heard rumors there's been a few hiccups for that industry over the past few years and the Miami skyline is full of half built speculative condo projects.
The rest of his assets were greeted with a gold digging divorce.

But correcting the poster to put in Ferraros name wasn't an improvement, ask NJ and Vegas. Woody should be a strong owner, but what about Bouchey (AZ), Bouchey (ORL), and Bouchey (J-ville)?

[NatePreds05]

True, Bernie was the face that sold tickets because he's still a loved icon in Cleveland. His bankruptcy has nothing to do with the 50 yard game. Most of his financial problems are from being heavily invested in Florida real estate, I've heard rumors there's been a few hiccups for that industry over the past few years and the Miami skyline is full of half built speculative condo projects.
The rest of his assets were greeted with a gold digging divorce.

But correcting the poster to put in Ferraros name wasn't an improvement, ask NJ and Vegas. Woody should be a strong owner, but what about Bouchey (AZ), Bouchey (ORL), and Bouchey (J-ville)?

Ferraro always paid his bills/dues and has run good operations. But he is a businessman. He moved from NJ and Vegas when he realized there were no profits to be made there (and a case could be made that Cleveland will be his most successful location).

As for Brett Bouchy, other than the fan refund incident, he is a good owner who has paid his bills and led his teams successfully. The Preds had one of the few teams in the AFL's bloated financial structure that turned a profit every year. And when Bouchy took over Arizona, he had the audacity to tell everyone that if Arizona did not make the playoffs he would refund all season tickets. That takes a lot of guts and Arizona played well and made the postseason to keep his promise.

As for Jacksonville, it is an entirely new team with an owner who has not been involved with Arena football before (Bouchy's brother). They are an expansion team. I wish them nothing but success.

[Bruiser]

As for the Green Bay Blizzard, you got any proof to back up that rumor?
Nope. That's why I'm asking. Makes sense though if they want to raise some cash. Why sit on idle property when it can generate revenue now?

[Caballo Diablo]

Ferraro always paid his bills/dues and has run good operations.
That's not the reports coming from the Thomas & Mack and the Orleans arena. The AFL waived the arena restrictions to let him move to the Orleans.

Most of the fans and players I've spoke with have zero good to say about him. It was pretty funny seeing them practice in the down hill parking lot but no one was laughing when the circus came to town and washed the elephant dung accross the turf laid out in the parking lot.


But he is a businessman. He moved from NJ and Vegas when he realized there were no profits to be made there
And where in the AFL was a profit to be made except a couple of fluke years in the jungle?


(and a case could be made that Cleveland will be his most successful location).
agreed, one of his best move was to get Bernie on board. I think his name actually sold more tickets than the game itself. Then having a great year on the field was huge, let's see what the year off has done. I hope they pack the place and continue winning.

As for Brett Bouchy, other than the fan refund incident,
So we are just supposed to forget him attacking fans in the jungle, which was one of the reasons he lost his job there. Many Pred fans I've spoke to couldn't stand him and I know some that quit going over his fan abuse and disrespect.

And you call flat out lying to and hiding from the fans while stealing their money is a small "incident"? Many AZ fans have said they'll never purchase another ticket from a team he owns.


he is a good owner who has paid his bills
You actuall had the nerve to put this in the same sentence with the "Fan refund incident" - lol - where does stealing the fans money fall under "he paid his bills?


and led his teams successfully.
I didn't realize it was plural. He was a minority owner in Orlando and fired over his arrogance and BS. He was never approved as the buyer of the AFL Preds by the BOD and they didn't play a single season with him as the owner.

Yes, he made the playoffs in his first year in AZ, not making them would have sent him into bankruptcy. You don't honestly believe he would have returned the fans money do ya?


The Preds had one of the few teams in the AFL's bloated financial structure that turned a profit every year.
I think one other team turned a profit once in the last decade beside Orlando.
They did what they had to do, it was all about advertising. Watching one of their games was painful, it was a 4 hour commercial with a little football mixed in. Yes, it was the fiscally responsible thing to do but looked like crap to non Pred Homers.


And when Bouchy took over Arizona, he had the audacity to tell everyone that if Arizona did not make the playoffs he would refund all season tickets. That takes a lot of guts and Arizona played well and made the postseason to keep his promise.
as stated above he got lucky. I guess the term "audacity" could have either a positive or negative meaning depending on the context it's used in. I think it was an extreme and dangeruous PR stunt and have no doubt if they had missed the playoffs he would not have honored his promise to return money to the fans. We saw how he screwed them for the next years tickets when no games were played.

As for Jacksonville, it is an entirely new team with an owner who has not been involved with Arena football before (Bouchy's brother). They are an expansion team. I wish them nothing but success.
I wish them success also, but all expansion franchises are a crap shoot. I guess the owner is getting a bad rap due to association and being related to a liar. Time will tell, he may be an honorable man, only time will tell.

[NatePreds05]

That's not the reports coming from the Thomas & Mack and the Orleans arena. The AFL waived the arena restrictions to let him move to the Orleans.

Did the Thomas and Mack sue Ferraro for breach of contract?

And where in the AFL was a profit to be made except a couple of fluke years in the jungle?

San Jose made money, Grand Rapids made money I believe, Tampa Bay made money. And it was more than just a couple of years with the Preds making money.

So we are just supposed to forget him attacking fans in the jungle, which was one of the reasons he lost his job there. Many Pred fans I've spoke to couldn't stand him and I know some that quit going over his fan abuse and disrespect.

He was not fired, he decided to take over Arizona on his own.

And you call flat out lying to and hiding from the fans while stealing their money is a small "incident"? Many AZ fans have said they'll never purchase another ticket from a team he owns.

You actuall had the nerve to put this in the same sentence with the "Fan refund incident" - lol - where does stealing the fans money fall under "he paid his bills?

He told the fans their teams would be back in 2010 and that their money would be good for 2010 with 20% credit added. He kept those promises. He paid his league bills, payroll, arena lease, and all those other things that constitute running a team.

I didn't realize it was plural. He was a minority owner in Orlando and fired over his arrogance and BS. He was never approved as the buyer of the AFL Preds by the BOD and they didn't play a single season with him as the owner.

He was team president in Orlando, and he was President when the Preds were a publicly traded team also. So while maybe not the full owner he was in charge of operations in Orlando for a long time.

I think one other team turned a profit once in the last decade beside Orlando.

They did what they had to do, it was all about advertising. Watching one of their games was painful, it was a 4 hour commercial with a little football mixed in. Yes, it was the fiscally responsible thing to do but looked like crap to non Pred Homers.

Well Preds fans still enjoyed every game. And maybe if the Austin Wranglers and other AFL teams had exercised some more fiscal responsibility like the Preds they could have survived.

I wish them success also, but all expansion franchises are a crap shoot. I guess the owner is getting a bad rap due to association and being related to a liar. Time will tell, he may be an honorable man, only time will tell.

Time will tell, but I wish them success. Jacksonville is a mostly untapped market in sports.

[Bruiser]

Just received via email:


Green Bay Indoor Football Team will remain the Blizzard
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:41 AM
From: "Green Bay Blizzard" <office@greenbayblizzard.com>
For Immediate Release


Green Bay Indoor Football Team will remain the Blizzard
Green Bay, WI: Titletown Football Group, the owners and operators of the Green Bay Indoor Football team, are pleased to announce that the team name will remain the Green Bay Blizzard. “Our goal was too keep the Blizzard name,” stated Owner and President Jeff Royle. “It took us by surprise when we found out the former ownership group did not own the rights to the team nickname so it took some time to reach a deal to keep the name.”

The purchase gives Titletown Football Group full ownership of all Green Bay Blizzard trademarks and intellectual property associated with the Blizzard name. “I’m excited for all the fans and corporate sponsors that the Blizzard name will remain in place,” said Royle. “The Blizzard brand is strong and our goal is too take the Blizzard franchise to a higher level.” The team had held a “Name the Team” contest in December in the event a deal could not be reached to keep the Blizzard name with thousands of entries received. “There have been a lot of changes for this franchise over the last 60 days,” stated Royle. “All the changes have been very exciting and we are looking forward to the best season of indoor football Green Bay has ever seen. The team name will stay the same but fans can expect exciting changes to the design of the uniforms, helmets and merchandise.”

The Blizzard are a proud new member of the Indoor Football League. The 2010 home opener is March 19th against the La Crosse Spartans. 2010 season tickets start as low as $56 and are available by calling (920) 405-1264 or visiting our website www.greenbayblizzard.com.

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[Caballo Diablo]

Did the Thomas and Mack sue Ferraro for breach of contract?

I believe the league intervened to prevent it.


San Jose made money, Grand Rapids made money I believe, Tampa Bay made money. And it was more than just a couple of years with the Preds making money.
umm, no.

The Preds did better than the others, but all of the teams you listed did not make money. Don't you recall the forum giving away over 10,000 tickets to many games because the Storm couldn't sell them.



He was not fired, he decided to take over Arizona on his own.
oh, that's right, proplr don't get fired in corporate america anymore. They are told to resign, get reassigned to a meaningless position, and sometimes even get a sweetheart deal to start your own company (or team) if you'll agree to leave without a fight. It's all semantice, he was forced out.

Tell me, do you defend the way he treated the fans and getting into fights in the stands by a minority owner?



He told the fans their teams would be back in 2010 and that their money would be good for 2010 with 20% credit added. He kept those promises. He paid his league bills, payroll, arena lease, and all those other things that constitute running a team.
Before he came up with this plan, almost a year after he had promised to refund the money and renegeged on his promise. Many fans that were ripped off didn't want discounted tickets or to attend his games. They are still awaiting their promised refund.

Is it ok to accept money in 2008, promise a refund when no games will be played, go into hiding from the customers, then in 2009 say it'll be put towards the 2010 season?



He was team president in Orlando, and he was President when the Preds were a publicly traded team also. So while maybe not the full owner he was in charge of operations in Orlando for a long time.
Apparently you've never been a minority owner of a business if you think he had control.


Well Preds fans still enjoyed every game. And maybe if the Austin Wranglers and other AFL teams had exercised some more fiscal responsibility like the Preds they could have survived.
I wouldn't say they enjoyed EVERY game. Why don't you talk to the ArenaFan reporter that loved the Preds (Adam). Do you hinestlt believe all of the teams success was soley because of Brett? If he was so good why was he forced out? Believe what you will, it wasn't his choice to leave.

Part of the Wranglers problem was only one arena in the area met league restrictions and depending on who was sched into the venue following a game the per game rent was over 20k to over 30k. But that's beside the point.

Yes, if other teams could have pulled in the advertising/sponsorship that the Pred's did, their bottom line would have been much different. But it did take away from the game/sport.



Time will tell, but I wish them success. Jacksonville is a mostly untapped market in sports.
We shall see, this isn't the first 50 yard team in the market and they had troubles with ticket sales for the Jaguars.

My intent wasn't to dis the Pred's or the the AF1, I just think you could come up with some positives to promote and defend instead of Bouchey.

[NatePreds05]

I believe the league intervened to prevent it.

Proof?

umm, no.

The Preds did better than the others, but all of the teams you listed did not make money. Don't you recall the forum giving away over 10,000 tickets to many games because the Storm couldn't sell them..

Well I know San Jose was in the black.

oh, that's right, proplr don't get fired in corporate america anymore. They are told to resign, get reassigned to a meaningless position, and sometimes even get a sweetheart deal to start your own company (or team) if you'll agree to leave without a fight. It's all semantice, he was forced out.

He was in full control and decided to move on.
Read this news quote:
AFL Orlando Predators Majority Owner Ron Howse said that he owns 65% of the team and has “full control” after buying the shares of President & Managing Partner Brett Bouchy over the past 18 months, according to Josh Robbins of the ORLANDO SENTINEL. Bouchy, who has run the day-to-day operations of the franchise since ’03, is stepping down from his role and said that “family considerations drove his decision to leave the Predators.” However, Bouchy “might not be done” with the AFL, as he said that he “has spoken with Arizona Rattlers owner Bob Hernreich about acquiring a stake” in that team. Howse indicated that he “wants to leave the day-to-day operations of the team to Bouchy’s successor”

Tell me, do you defend the way he treated the fans and getting into fights in the stands by a minority owner?

CD, there was exactly one Bouchy-fan fight. One fight in 5 YEARS. I was at that game and no one really considered it a big deal either. Coaches have gotten DUIs and not gotten fired. One fight is hardly reason to force anyone out (if it actually happened).

Before he came up with this plan, almost a year after he had promised to refund the money and renegeged on his promise. Many fans that were ripped off didn't want discounted tickets or to attend his games. They are still awaiting their promised refund.

Is it ok to accept money in 2008, promise a refund when no games will be played, go into hiding from the customers, then in 2009 say it'll be put towards the 2010 season?

I do not agree with what he did in this area. That's why I said in every other aspect he has been a good businessman and led teams to success.

I wouldn't say they enjoyed EVERY game. Why don't you talk to the ArenaFan reporter that loved the Preds (Adam). Do you hinestlt believe all of the teams success was soley because of Brett? If he was so good why was he forced out? Believe what you will, it wasn't his choice to leave.

Part of the Wranglers problem was only one arena in the area met league restrictions and depending on who was sched into the venue following a game the per game rent was over 20k to over 30k. But that's beside the point.

Yes, if other teams could have pulled in the advertising/sponsorship that the Pred's did, their bottom line would have been much different. But it did take away from the game/sport.

I did not say all the success was because of him. But he led the Predators successfully for 5 years. If you find proof of his being forced out, let me know.

As for the gameday fan experience, if so many fans hated it, then why was there always a big crowd at the games? Personally, I considered it like a commercial break like you see while watching a game on TV. Plus if you were lucky you got free stuff. I did not see it take away from the game one bit. I enjoyed going to Preds games a lot and if I were still living in Orlando I would be going to Preds games in 2010. I went to other teams' AFL games and they were not nearly as electric in atmosphere. Sadly I am stuck watching the Preds on TV or Nifty this season.

We shall see, this isn't the first 50 yard team in the market and they had troubles with ticket sales for the Jaguars.

The Jaguars have trouble selling tickets because their stadium is huge, built for college games. If the Jags had come in and built their own it probably would have been more size appropriate for the market.

My intent wasn't to dis the Pred's or the the AF1, I just think you could come up with some positives to promote and defend instead of Bouchey.

I love the Preds, I am happy Arena Football is returning, and excited for the upcoming season. And despite what is said about Bouchy he kept arena football alive for Orlando and Arizona, which I am grateful for. I consider those positives to promote and defend.

Answer me this CD: If Bouchy bought the Austin Wranglers and they were going to play in the AF1 2010, wouldn't you be buying season tickets, supporting the team, and excited about arena football returning to Austin? I am sure you would be.

[NatePreds05]

Just received via email:


Green Bay Indoor Football Team will remain the Blizzard
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:41 AM
From: "Green Bay Blizzard" <office@greenbayblizzard.com>
For Immediate Release


Green Bay Indoor Football Team will remain the Blizzard
Green Bay, WI: Titletown Football Group, the owners and operators of the Green Bay Indoor Football team, are pleased to announce that the team name will remain the Green Bay Blizzard. “Our goal was too keep the Blizzard name,” stated Owner and President Jeff Royle. “It took us by surprise when we found out the former ownership group did not own the rights to the team nickname so it took some time to reach a deal to keep the name.”

The purchase gives Titletown Football Group full ownership of all Green Bay Blizzard trademarks and intellectual property associated with the Blizzard name. “I’m excited for all the fans and corporate sponsors that the Blizzard name will remain in place,” said Royle. “The Blizzard brand is strong and our goal is too take the Blizzard franchise to a higher level.” The team had held a “Name the Team” contest in December in the event a deal could not be reached to keep the Blizzard name with thousands of entries received. “There have been a lot of changes for this franchise over the last 60 days,” stated Royle. “All the changes have been very exciting and we are looking forward to the best season of indoor football Green Bay has ever seen. The team name will stay the same but fans can expect exciting changes to the design of the uniforms, helmets and merchandise.”

The Blizzard are a proud new member of the Indoor Football League. The 2010 home opener is March 19th against the La Crosse Spartans. 2010 season tickets start as low as $56 and are available by calling (920) 405-1264 or visiting our website www.greenbayblizzard.com.

Green Bay Bullfrogs Baseball Club
1306 Main Street
Green Bay, WI 54302
920-497-7225
www.greenbaybullfrogs.com

You called it Bruiser. Right on. I wonder how much the AF1 sold it to them for.

[Bruiser]

You called it Bruiser. Right on. I wonder how much the AF1 sold it to them for.
Not really, I just heard the rumor. But it only makes sense for the AF1 to reap some $$$ by selling the names/logos. Holding on to them does no good. And yes, I'm curious to know the sale price as well.