North Central Div.

[psbf]

Since it does not look like ABAlive will be releasing the standings, this is what I'm estimating from scores released, for this Div;

Kansas City 3 0
PGH. 3 0
Chicago 2 0
Lake Mich. 2 2
Detroit 1 0
Young. 0 1
Columbus 0 3

Many of the games have been played outside of the Division, but this is what I have at the moment. Any revisions are welcome!

[tops804]

Since it does not look like ABAlive will be releasing the standings,

According to their website, "they will be up shortly". In ABA terms, that
probably means by the year 2012, or when a Versus game airs (whichever
is sooner...) :p :( :mad: :p

this is what I'm estimating from scores released, for this Div;

Kansas City 3 0
PGH. 3 0
Chicago 2 0
Lake Mich. 2 2
Detroit 1 0
Young. 0 1
Columbus 0 3

Many of the games have been played outside of the Division, but this is what I have at the moment. Any revisions are welcome!

Cleveland was supposed to play today, but it looks like nothing from them
or Youngstown.

[psbf]

I think the Swish website is more reliable.

[tops804]

I think the Swish website is more reliable.

I agree, but even that hasn't been updated in a while. They are actually
not a "full-time" team this season, but did a better job than the Rockers
in preparing.

I also tried the radio link --- and got nothing.

[psbf]

The only good thing I see the ABAlive has done is put their schedule up but apparently it's up to us for the standings.

As far as part time-teams, I knew that Akron is not scheduled until next season, but forgot Youngstown is only part-time. I keep wondering why they have schedules, which should be only for those teams participating!

[turbocamyes]

The thing about part-timers is that the games count in the standings:

Kansas City Stars.. 4 0 100.00%
Pitt Phantoms....... 2 0 100.00%
Chicago Steam......6 1 85.71%
Lake MI Admirals... 2 2 50.00%
Columbus Crush.....1 2 33.33%
Youngstn Swish.... 0 1 0.00%
GRapids Flight....... 0 2 0.00%
Akron Rise............0 2 0.00%
Cleveland Rockers..0 0 0.00%

[turbocamyes]

Games so far ...

11/7/2009 Akron Rise 115 Chicago Steam 135
11/8/2009 Akron Rise 110 Chicago Steam 145
11/20/2009 Chicago Steam 122 St Louis Stunners 99
11/21/2009 Grand Rapids Flight 112 Columbus Crush 116
11/22/2009 St Louis Stunners 110 Chicago Steam 134
11/27/2009 St Louis Stunners 106 Kansas City Stars 152
11/29/2009 Kentucky Bisons 104 Chicago Steam 79
12/4/2009 Oklahoma Impact 70 Kansas City Stars 110
12/5/2009 Chicago Steam 129 Lake Michigan Admirals 108
12/5/2009 Youngstown Swish 87 Pittsburgh Phantoms 95
12/6/2009 Grand Rapids Flight 115 Chicago Steam 140
12/11/2009 Columbus Crush 116 Kansas City Stars 139
12/12/2009 West Virginia Blazers 123 Lake Michigan Admirals 132
12/13/2009 West Virginia Blazers 139 Lake Michigan Admirals 145 2OT
12/13/2009 New York Red Riders 114 Pittsburgh Phantoms 117
12/16/2009 Southeast Texas Mavericks 94 Kansas City Stars 112
12/19/2009 Kentucky Bisons 101 Columbus Crush 91
12/19/2009 Detroit Hoops 137 Lake Michigan Admirals 133

[psbf]

Thanks for the scores and update, Turbo!
If teams are included in the schedule and standings, what's the need for the term 'part-time'?

[turbocamyes]

If teams are included in the schedule and standings, what's the need for the term 'part-time'?

This is complete conjecture, but my guess is that it goes back a few years when the league asked a few teams scheduled for the following season to fill in for folded teams. Those scores counted in the standings. The next season teams started the trend of using non-league opponents. Akron, Youngstown, Chico and I imagine a few others are playing limited schedules that will impact the final standings. I suppose it helps the full-time teams by insuring that a team will show, and allows the part-time teams to gauge their markets. Then again, I’m generally wrong about league operations.

[Cleveland Fan]

I'm new here. I tried finding something on the Rockers/Swish game. I couldn't. I might try calling the Rockers office. I'm endeavoring to keep track of all of the ABA standings and current team list. I hope to have my first edition up Between Christmas and New Year.

By the way, does anyone know the ABA playoff format?

[psbf]

Welcome, Cleveland Fan! You have a lot to learn about this league!
Unless you went to the Rockers/Swish game(in the event that they actually played) I don't see any chance that you will find anything out. But I wish you luck. If you do get lucky, please post it here.

[BisonMonkey]

[QUOTE=
By the way, does anyone know the ABA playoff format?[/QUOTE]

Last year it was an 8 team tourney. OK, you regulars chip in if I miss something, but I was there and it pretty much went like this. Who goes is based somewhat on win-loss record, Joe's "power rankings" and what teams can afford to travel. Seedings are based on whoever the hosting team owner wants to play against. The doors are subject to open somewhere between 3 and 5 hours late. And in spite of all that, you may still see some good basketball.

[formerlyknownasfells]

Last year it was an 8 team tourney. OK, you regulars chip in if I miss something, but I was there and it pretty much went like this. Who goes is based somewhat on win-loss record, Joe's "power rankings" and what teams can afford to travel. Seedings are based on whoever the hosting team owner wants to play against. The doors are subject to open somewhere between 3 and 5 hours late. And in spite of all that, you may still see some good basketball.

What format? Joe makes it up as he goes along.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Then again, I’m generally wrong about league operations.

As are the people actually IN CHARGE of the league operations.

[preeths]

The league has said that it has no money to help with the playoffs, so it is basically up to the teams. The last couple of years, one of them has stepped up to host a tournament, promising to pay the bills including at least some of the travel costs for the visitors. I know some teams that traveled to Nashville last year are still owed money. Assuming the ABA makes it to the end of the season, my guess is that either Tony Chase or the Southeast Texas Mavericks end up hosting a title game or tournament.

[Paul S]

Its usually a good team with at least an modicome of fans who come out. How these guys think its a good business decision to fly in 8 teams for 4 days in order to win a championship is beyond me.

I think Preeths is right, assuming the ABA is still around, it will be a Tony Chase thing.

I do know one of the people involved in the host team last year stated that Joe "didn't even have the decency to be embarrassed" about the turnout and the state of the league.

[psbf]

I'M IN SHOCK!! Columbus actually updated their website!!
Here are the standings as I've figured;

Columbus 5 2
Kansas City 3 0
PGH. 3 0
Chicago 2 0
Lake Mich. 2 2
Detroit 1 2
Youngstown0 1

Chicago still does not have their site working, Cleveland has but it's no better than before. Whether or not the Swish won their game with the Crunch, they are still in last.
Grand Rapids has not updated theirs either.

[tops804]

Chicago still does not have their site working, Cleveland has but it's no better than before. Whether or not the Swish won their game with the Crunch, they are still in last.
Grand Rapids has not updated theirs either.

PSBF -- Cleveland (ABA) = Rockers

Cleveland Crunch was NPSL (and they actually played games...In front of real
people...In an arena...)

The Rockers actually had Sundays opponent listed as "Youngstown Crush"

[psbf]

Thanks, Tops.

I'm currently listening to the Blue Grass Stallions, who are playing host to the Columbus Crush. Orignally, the Charlotte Crossroads were supposed to visit but they cancelled last night and the Crush accepted the invite this morning. This game is late because the Crush wee stuck in Cincinnati.

After one, Columbus 29, Blue Grass 25. Currently, the Crush lead, 45.43 It's on the Stallions radio.

[psbf]

Columbus arrived an hour ago for the game.

Update; Blue Grass up 54-44

[psbf]

Over ten minutes left in the game, Blue Grass leads 88-74.

[psbf]

Columbus made it close, 108-105 with less than a minute, before the Stallions made a three pointer. Currently 111-107.

[psbf]

final; Blue Grass 114, Columbus 107(non-Division game). Sounded like maybe a couple hundred were there.

[turbocamyes]

Thanks for the update. I received an email yesterday from the GM of Columbus. It must have been from the road. I’ve also been in contact with the Charlotte owner and I'll try to find out what's happening in my neck of the world.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Thanks, Tops.

I'm currently listening to the Blue Grass Stallions, who are playing host to the Columbus Crush. Orignally, the Charlotte Crossroads were supposed to visit but they cancelled last night and the Crush accepted the invite this morning. This game is late because the Crush wee stuck in Cincinnati.

After one, Columbus 29, Blue Grass 25. Currently, the Crush lead, 45.43 It's on the Stallions radio.

Charlotte Crossovers

[psbf]

Turbo, no need to for the effort. On the broadcast, they mentioned that Charlotte was unable to make it because of transportation problems.
Columbus was late because of traffic delays due to an accident in Cincy.
But the broadcasters kept thanking Columbus for their effort and coming and putting up a good game. The Crush are now 5-3.

Thanks, RWB!:)

[turbocamyes]

Turbo, no need to for the effort. On the broadcast, they mentioned that Charlotte was unable to make it because of transportation problems.
Columbus was late because of traffic delays due to an accident in Cincy.
But the broadcasters kept thanking Columbus for their effort and coming and putting up a good game. The Crush are now 5-3.

Thanks, RWB!:)

Thanks. I just sent an email anyway to see when the next game is scheduled. I think there's one on the 28th. I'll take pictures, count heads & report back.

[turbocamyes]

From Cleveland's website:

LOYAL FANS AND SPONSORS PLEASE NOTE: For the 2009-10 winter season no games will be played at CSU Woodling Gymnasium as agreed because of an unexpected heating and cooling system failure. We were surprised with a call from CSU facility Manager with the bad news and then he sent an official e-mail on December 14, around 3:30pm. Since this being six days before our home opener we were forced to abandon the idea of playing a full home and away schedule this season. The entire system will need to be replaced and/or upgraded. The construction started on December 14, and will last most of our winter season. The Rockers will play charitable touring games locally and abroad in communities during the 2009-10 season, until our home venue is complete. Check our schedule regularly for updates on re-scheduled community games and events, most will be admission free or your free-will donations.

Thanks you for your continued support,

Happy Holidays from the Cleveland Rockers entire Staff.

http://www.kevanfoxmedia.com/cleveland/news-release/2009-10-rockers-season-is-shortened.html

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

From Cleveland's website:

LOYAL FANS AND SPONSORS PLEASE NOTE: For the 2009-10 winter season no games will be played at CSU Woodling Gymnasium as agreed because of an unexpected heating and cooling system failure. We were surprised with a call from CSU facility Manager with the bad news and then he sent an official e-mail on December 14, around 3:30pm. Since this being six days before our home opener we were forced to abandon the idea of playing a full home and away schedule this season. The entire system will need to be replaced and/or upgraded. The construction started on December 14, and will last most of our winter season. The Rockers will play charitable touring games locally and abroad in communities during the 2009-10 season, until our home venue is complete. Check our schedule regularly for updates on re-scheduled community games and events, most will be admission free or your free-will donations.

Thanks you for your continued support,

Happy Holidays from the Cleveland Rockers entire Staff.

http://www.kevanfoxmedia.com/cleveland/news-release/2009-10-rockers-season-is-shortened.html

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2525/4209314520_0928240983_m.jpg

So, what about your away schedule? Why can't you play those games, Pierre? Their gyms didn't have "an unexpected heating and cooling system failure," but now you force them to scramble to cover for your failings.

And this is one of Joe's Kitchen Cabinet members. Great example to set for other teams.

The hilarity and lack of professionalism never stops...

[psbf]

According to the Phantoms schedule, they were to be our next opponent, playing up there.
I've had my suspicions about Cleveland.

As far as the end of this season;

Sat; Akron was to visit Cleveland; Maryland at New York(Elmira, 7) and Lake Michigan at Columbus(7).

Sun; Jersey at Maryland.

Tues.; Lake Michigan at Kansas City(8:30).

Wed.; Lake Michigan at Kansas City(8:30).

Those are just Division games.

[Cleveland Fan]

I never heard about the Rockers playing at Woodling (assumed they were going to be back at the Multiplex).

Also, the CSU Wrestling team is going to host a few more matches at Woodling. They seem to be okay. Their page doesn't even mention a problem with the gym.

http://www.csuvikings.com/sports/m-wrestl/sched/clst-m-wrestl-sched.html

http://www.csuvikings.com/sports/m-wrestl/clst-m-wrestl-body.html

I think that I might try contacting CSU to see if there even was a failure.

[Sam Hill]

Since this being six days before our home opener we were forced to abandon the idea of playing a full home and away schedule this season.

This is ABA logic, everybody.

In a related story, I locked my keys in the car this morning, so I have been forced to abandon the idea of everyone coming over to my house for Easter dinner in April 2010.

[tops804]

Under "Season Passes (Sale Ended)", click the buy now link...

https://cleveland-rockers.ticketleap.com/member/list_events.aspx?event_company_id=40EE61B3-BE7B-46C6-A5CA-7AF956B5682&

It still lists the Multipex Arena as the venue. As of Sunday, no mention was
made of Woodling, anywhere.

Should the Sunday game have happened, how was anyone supposed to know where?

[preeths]

According to Cleveland State University Assistant Athletic Director/Communications Brian McCann, there is nothing wrong with Woodling Gymnasium. There has been no heating and cooling system failure. The university has canceled no events slated for the facility. He was unfamiliar with the Cleveland Rockers or their claims.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

According to Cleveland State University Assistant Athletic Director/Communications Brian McCann, there is nothing wrong with Woodling Gymnasium. There has been no heating and cooling system failure. The university has canceled no events slated for the facility. He was unfamiliar with the Cleveland Rockers or their claims.

Wow, never saw that coming...

http://blog.bookingbuddy.co.uk/images/2008/09/18/liar.jpg

[psbf]

I wonder what he would say if he knew about the Rockers. This makes it sound like there were no events to cancel.

[Sam Hill]

According to Cleveland State University Assistant Athletic Director/Communications Brian McCann, there is nothing wrong with Woodling Gymnasium. There has been no heating and cooling system failure. The university has canceled no events slated for the facility. He was unfamiliar with the Cleveland Rockers or their claims.


That is fabulous!

That's like when Joe claimed in 2002 that the Indiana Legends couldn't play in the Pepsi Coliseum because of (a) a roof leak and then (b ) moisture coming up from the ice under the floor, and so they'd have to play at a local high school.

It seems like if you get involved with this league, you lose all sense of shame and you can just say absolutely anything with a straight face.

[BisonMonkey]

Unfreakingbelievable. Being inept is one thing, but being dishonest is another! But I'm still enjoying what the local team is doing here - even if I have to break out the $304 I have hidden in the cupboard and start my own league.

Go Bisons!

[psbf]

I know what you mean about enjoying your local team, Bison Monkey. I felt the same about my team when they were in this league.
Our current team is nothing like the Xplosion, though.
From what I've been hearing about the Bisons, I think they have a good future but only if they find a better league.

[nksports]

Unfreakingbelievable. Being inept is one thing, but being dishonest is another! But I'm still enjoying what the local team is doing here - even if I have to break out the $304 I have hidden in the cupboard and start my own league.

Go Bisons!

Don't let anyone with the ABA know you have $304, they might try to sell you a team.

[BisonMonkey]

Don't let anyone with the ABA know you have $304, they might try to sell you a team.

Ha. Thanks for the smile. I'll sell you a half-interest for a case of Coors Light. ;) Happy holidays, all.

[meyes]

I was the first to notice the water falling from the roof of the Pepsi Coliseum when the Legends played a game during a very, very heavy rain. I reported the water to team and Indiana State Fairgrounds staff people. The water was real. However it was falling behind a basket and did not affect the game in any way and would not have been a problem at any future games.
I was given other reasons for the Legends move to Arlington High School. What I was told may or may not be true and I will be keeping that to myself.

[Paul S]

Meyes, I don't suppose you ever found out about the story of a gym floor, the Indiana Legends, Joe Newman, an charity, an facility manager who hates Joe, the gifting of the gym floor to said charity and controversy surronding the Legends leaving huh??????

I've been told part of the story and I'm astounded it hasn't really been talked about on this board.

[Sam Hill]

I was given other reasons for the Legends move to Arlington High School.

Which is fine.

But we weren't given other reasons. Joe put out a reason for public consumption that was immediately shot down by the facility management. And Joe never owned up to it. And, not long thereafter, the Legends were history.

It wasn't like the time they moved a game to Detroit because it was going to be on TV and then it wasn't on TV, right?

Let us not mince words, and let us not beat around the bush here: Joe Newman is as dishonest as the day is long. He says things that are not only blatantly untrue, but which are blatantly and demonstrably untrue with very little effort on the part of anyone looking for the truth. He's not only dishonest, he's just dumb enough to think we're dumb enough to buy his b.s.

Unfortunately, there appears to be no lack of people eager to buy his b.s. and continue to buy into this pyramid scheme that is the ABA.

[meyes]

Paul S., If the gym floor, the Legends, and the charity are related (that wasn't clear to me in your post) I do not know what you are talking about. That doesn't mean it is a situation that didn't happen, I just have no knowledge of it.
Joe did many things that others of us associated with the team didn't know anything about.

[preeths]

According to Cleveland State University Assistant Athletic Director/Communications Brian McCann, there is nothing wrong with Woodling Gymnasium. There has been no heating and cooling system failure. The university has canceled no events slated for the facility. He was unfamiliar with the Cleveland Rockers or their claims.

Update: I did some more checking, and according to Athletic Facilities Director Mike Lehto, CSU is doing a heating update in Woodling. It sounds as if they're in the midst of the update which should be finished by the time classes start again in January. Classes are apparently held in the building, and he expects no class time to be missed.

[psbf]

Since I titled this thread the North Central Division, I'll post my updated standings here;

Columbus 5 4 6 4
Kansas City 1 0 3 0
PGH 3 0 3 0
Chicago 3 0 3 0
Lake Mich. 3 4 3 4
Detroit 1 2 1 2
Akron 1 3 1 3
Youngstown 0 1 0 1

The fist two columns are Division, the other two are overall

[Cleveland Fan]

Update: I did some more checking, and according to Athletic Facilities Director Mike Lehto, CSU is doing a heating update in Woodling. It sounds as if they're in the midst of the update which should be finished by the time classes start again in January. Classes are apparently held in the building, and he expects no class time to be missed.

So there is some heating work. Was he familiar with the Rockers or them having an agreement to rent out Woodling?