Look away for ONE MONTH and BAM

[trifecta]

The Turfcats are no longer in the SIFL??

Wait....Isn't the IFL the same league that Caballo bashed on this very same board??? Now it is a great move????


To the SIFL brass....(that means you Dan) good luck in the future and I hope you will use the constant stubbing of your toes in the inaugural season as a learning experience. Couple of tips for season TWO.

1. Arrive at venues a few hours early to check for possible safety violations.

2. Don't let coaches walk off the field in the middle of the game.

3. Make sure teams are able to make it through at least 3 games before they FOLD

4. Don't fill in the schedule with a team from another league and sell it as an SIFL game.

5. Put together a vetting process for all owners....Last year's vetting process was placing a mirror near their mouth to check for breathing

6. Teach teams to make sure that GM's of the team are NOT the story.....GM quotes are not needed in EVERY press release.


Good Luck and I am sure you will miss me.

[daytonadan]

Good to be sparring with you again, Trifecta.

All valid points that should and will be put into play.

I don't think have to deal with number six again, though. True story: After a certain team beat another team in a big SIFL game, the GM of that team quoted himself instead of the head coach in a GAME STORY.

In my disdain, I tried to explain why this was not a good idea. After three responses with an attempted defense, I said that if he ever quoted himself in a game day story again, he'd be fined $5,000 and I'd hire someone with steel-tipped boots to kick him in a certain region of his body.

Never happened again. Also got e-mails of support from the rest of the league.

[dagr8_1_4ever]

Other than here is there somewhere one can go to get information about the SIFL and its teams?
Plus is there a message board for the fans to chat and share their thoughts about the team and league?
Coming over from the AIFL, at least they had a top notch message board the fans ran that let the people keep up with what is going on around the league.

.

[Caballo Diablo]

Wait....Isn't the IFL the same league that Caballo bashed on this very same board??? Now it is a great move????

Either your memory is poor, your comprehension is poor, or you just like to create your own version for argument sake. I'd say the latter - lol

I don't recall bashing the IFL. If you go to the various boards, or even the IFL page here about the SIFL/T-Cats you would see I've championed all of the 50 yard leagues and the entire sport as a whole.

Have I disagreed with some things and spoke out against it, sure. I've had some skepticism about whether Tommy B was the best guy for the job. While the deciet over insurance was a serious offense, I'm not sure totally destroying a team is the proper thing to do. No one had been able to do it on the field and it did look a little strange to accomodate the other teams by doing it administravely. Then the CC forfiet, while hitting a ref is also serious and unacceptable, why punish the rest of the team and their fans for it instead of the person responsible? Two actions that altered the leagues results.

The UIF and Intense leagues have still yet to bond as a family and seem to work against each other. I have always had a problem with people puffing out their chests about one league over another. Their "Premier" attitude still doesn't look good in the media, it just looks arrogane and childish as the kids fight and argu in the sandbox at recess.

But it you'l remember, I've also spoke out on things I disagreed with in the SIFL. Remember the disagreements I had with Dan and how the Lexi Incident was used as PR to stoke a fire? Remember How I've spoke about the owner/president of the league also owning the team atop the league and how it looked to the public whether anything unethical was transpiring or not?

If you frequent the AFLMB you'll see a history of me disagreeing with Comissioner Baker and how his management style bordered on criminal. I have also spoke about things I disagreed with in the af2, but have a strong respect for Mr Kurz. Although there are some things I disagree with in the way the AF1 has been taking place.

So you see Tri, there's a difference in bashing and actually speaking out against certain incidents. Some love to pick on other leagues and just say they stink or are inferior without discussion of why. The you've got the Homers that defend wrong actions just because someone/something they like were involved. I try to realistically look at what took place instead of bury my head in the sand.

I don't recall saying it was a "GREAT" move ither. I feel there are some pro's and con's both ways. But if you'll go back and read the history of my posting you'll see I've always said it comes down to if you're a fan of the sport or not. You can't choose the team/league you prefer that will come to your market. I've always said no matter the 50 yard league that comes to my town will get my support and attendance.

The SIFL seems to be leaning towards the south east for expansion and that's not good for the TurfCats travel budget. The IFL looks to have 8 teams in their Lonestar division and that does bode well for building Instate rivalries.

So which is it from your perspective Tri? Failing memory, poor comprehension, or jusyt an antagonisitc attitude? I'll let you pick.

By the way, will we be seeing your smiling face at any of the games this year? or just more hate and sarcasm on the forums without actually seeing it for yourself?

[Caballo Diablo]

Other than here is there somewhere one can go to get information about the SIFL and its teams?
Plus is there a message board for the fans to chat and share their thoughts about the team and league?
Coming over from the AIFL, at least they had a top notch message board the fans ran that let the people keep up with what is going on around the league.

.

No, the SIFL doesn't have their own message boards.
Here's their official site, where you can link to the team sites.

http://www.southernifl.com/

and here's another message board with some SIFL pages.

http://indoorfootballboard.proboards.com/index.cgi

Good luck with the move, keeping your team is a good thing.

[trifecta]

Caballo,

There is a scene in the Classic "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"

Dimone is talking to Ratner at the mall and while staring at a lifesize cardboard cut-out of Debbie Harry he tells Ratner how to act on a date with a girl. He goes on to say....no matter where you are act like it is the greatest place to be.....

You have a tremendous chameleon-like trait to shed old teams/leagues and jump on board to the next train leaving the station. Before you jump in with both feet claiming how great everything is take a breath.

I know your reasoning....You are a fan of whatever Indoor football team that puts Austin in front of their team name. The revolving door of instability eats away at the legitimacy of every team/league that hangs a shingle.

The answer to your question is I probably will not be attending a game anytime soon. But if I do, I will let you know.

[Caballo Diablo]

Caballo,
You have a tremendous chameleon-like trait to shed old teams/leagues and jump on board to the next train leaving the station. Before you jump in with both feet claiming how great everything is take a breath.
Thanks for answering my question, it's a comprehension problem.

Could you provide me with a quote where I've said how great everything is?
Maybe you like to have a discussion of the pro's and con's of the various leagues and staying in the SIFL vs the IFL?

You claim not to bash, but that's what you do most of the time. Serious discussion seems to evade you.

I know your reasoning....You are a fan of whatever Indoor football team that puts Austin in front of their team name. The revolving door of instability eats away at the legitimacy of every team/league that hangs a shingle.
Yep, I love the sport itself although there is instability in all of minor leagues it doesn't affect it's legitimacy.

Most fans of the 50 yard game realize it's a niche sport, the AFL went bust trying to go main stream. You've got to realize your market and build on it before chasing dreams.

Let's see now, the SIFL has played one season and while there were problems as any starup business encounters, overall they did a great job of handling most of them. Did it run smooth or perfect, no. Did you really expect it to?

While The IFL has only played one season, it was a merger of two established leagues. Their national foot print worried somer investors as far as a viable travel budget. It looks like they are working on that by trying to put regional divisions together.

Both leagues will encounter troubles this upcoming season, just as the AF1, AIFA, CIFL, and others.

The Major leagues and Nascar are losing advertising and sponsorship by the boat load and downsizing their staffs. Many NFL teams/owners have screwed up their finances but they always held a blackmail card to get cities, or should I say their citizens bail them out with tax money.

Let's look at Jerry Jones, His new staidum was supposed to cost approx $650 mil with the city covering half of it with tax money stolen from the citizens. The stadium came in almost ONE BILLION over budget and the city is trying to renig on their portion of it. Overall most would say Jerry is/has been a great business mind over the years. But it looks like even the best sometimes have a brain fart.

Fans of the 50 yard game understand these decisions, although don't always like them it doesn't affect the legitimacy of the sport. The masses that never accepted it as a real sport? It doesn't matter what they think of the so called revolving door because they never felt it was legitimate to begin with.




The answer to your question is I probably will not be attending a game anytime soon. But if I do, I will let you know.
And how should the fans and other forum members judge your legitimacy?
Why do you even waste time coming to a place you seem to dislike?

You refuse to attend a game, even when you were offered a free ticket to every single game. How can you expect people to take you for any thing but a hater? 99.9% of your posts are negative, if I disliked something that much I would have to branch out and find something I enjoyed.

Kettle, meet pot.

[indoor fan]

Caballo,

There is a scene in the Classic "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"

Dimone is talking to Ratner at the mall and while staring at a lifesize cardboard cut-out of Debbie Harry he tells Ratner how to act on a date with a girl. He goes on to say....no matter where you are act like it is the greatest place to be.....

You have a tremendous chameleon-like trait to shed old teams/leagues and jump on board to the next train leaving the station. Before you jump in with both feet claiming how great everything is take a breath.

I know your reasoning....You are a fan of whatever Indoor football team that puts Austin in front of their team name. The revolving door of instability eats away at the legitimacy of every team/league that hangs a shingle.

The answer to your question is I probably will not be attending a game anytime soon. But if I do, I will let you know.

What's with all the 80's movies references on this board lately. First it was "Hardbodies" and now "Fast Times". I love it.

I do hope the Turfcats GM does not make himself the face of the team again. The post game quotes and interviews were kind of silly. This is what really turned me off to this team.

As far as the Turcats leaving the SIFL, I will quote another one of my favorite 80's movies Risky Business and say "Sometimes you got to say what the Fuc!, and make your move"

[daytonadan]

Listen, I love the 80s cultural references, but I've become a big "Mad Men" fan in this off-season ... hence the offerings from Don Draper:

“I keep going to a lot of places, and keep ending up in places I’ve already been.”

``Change is neither good or bad. It simply is. It can be greeted with terror or joy. A tantrum that says, ‘I want it the way it was’ or a dance that says, ‘Look, it’s something new.'''

"It's not called the wheel. It's called the carousel."

[Caballo Diablo]

"It's not called the wheel. It's called the carousel."
Kind of like taking those lemons life hands you and making lemonade.

The 50 yard game won't succomb to the pessimist that revel in every mistake.

[trifecta]

Sometimes it is better to not talk and have people wonder if you are an idiot RATHER than actually talking and remove all doubt.

Caballo you are boring.

[Big Easy]

I do hope the Turfcats GM does not make himself the face of the team again. The post game quotes and interviews were kind of silly. This is what really turned me off to this team.

He is a legend you know....just ask him. Was it the fact that the "press releases" were silly or outright fabrication? Trying to pass BS as truth...especially when it's easy to see through...did it for me....but thats par for the course with that guy. I have to give him credit though, he must have impressed someone with his BS....he got the gig after all.

[Caballo Diablo]

Sometimes it is better to not talk and have people wonder if you are an idiot RATHER than actually talking and remove all doubt.

Caballo you are boring.
Yet you continue to type - lol

You haven't addressed your own legitimacy yet. You've become known as Mr Negative, you love to smack league and team front offices but haven't shown you could do better. You refuse to do any research and actually attend games, for free. All you've ever done is bash every team Austin has had.

News flash, all of the 50 yard leagues are a niche sports entertainment on the minor league level. if you dislike it why don't you stick with the majors, we all know they go out of their way to accomodate fans and can be enjoyed at a family friendly price.

Why do you come here if you dislike everything so much? You love to smack others and deny it, then refuse to have a conversation about it?

Boring is one perspective, I didn't realize anyone here was exciting or cutting edge. You regergitate the same old same old over and over, yet I'm the boring one - lol. I'll give it to ya though, you're not boring, but rather entertaining as you constantly make us all chuckle.

[Caballo Diablo]

He is a legend you know....just ask him. Was it the fact that the "press releases" were silly or outright fabrication? Trying to pass BS as truth...especially when it's easy to see through...did it for me....but thats par for the course with that guy. I have to give him credit though, he must have impressed someone with his BS....he got the gig after all.

How many franchises have you built from the ground up? If you've got the ability to do better there's several expansion teams forming across the various leagues that could use your help. I was associated with the Ice bats, Wranglers, and Turfcats (the Express and Toros don't count as they had major league support) during their inaugrual seasons and know how difficult it can be to build every piece of the business from scratch.

Me, I couldn't do it. That job is far above my expertise, but I have built other business` from scratch. Mistakes are made, it's how you handle them that matters in the end. There are people making million dollar salaries in private and sports industries dropping the ball, so why should you expect any different in lesser leagues and business ventures?

It seemed that Austin had more press than anyone else and became the the only team that could compete with the league owners existing back to back champion team. All in all it turned out to be a very successful first year for the Turfcats. Perfect, no. Can you name me a team or league that had no mistakes or bumps along the way? I would like to take a closer look at them and see what we can learn from their perfection.

The AFL was definitely the Premier league in the 50 yard game and they were full of problems, BS, and coruption. You still wear the VooDoo logo, were they prefectly run or without problems that drove the fans crazy?

Look around at the advertising being forced in out face, whether it's billboards, radio, TV, or the so called "experts" of sports media. 99.9% of it all is BS. Have you not seen through their charade? Most of the pundits and announcers for the majors are useless, yet they still get the big bucks to get their coverage wrong on a daily basis. Jealousy is an evil cancer that eats away at us.

[Big Easy]

Jealousy is an evil cancer that eats away at us.

You are in outer space if you think thats what it is. Put down the crack pipe. There isn't a reason on earth that I'd be jealous of anyone much less Ron. My life is damned good. I'm not the jealous type...but I am the brutally honest type.

BTW, when he builds a successful franchise, I'll recognize it accordingly. Let's see some steak, all I HEAR is the sizzle...and it's not all that great. Thats the issue here....I'm not impressed by the fabricated "press" coverage you mention. I can see through that facade.

FWIW, I do know and understand the challenges of the indoor game and being successful in minor AND major league sports. I understand the challenges of owning a franchise (though I've never owned one). I understand the challenges and necessity of selling tickets....and just as important, sponsorships. I understand the "marketing" that goes with it. I also understand the definition of success, how to present and "sell" a concept and integrity. Been there, done it...and did a damn good job.

I'm not in sports any more, but I do own a money making sports oriented web site. I do it on the side. I've created the content, pitch, etc. When I present to people they don't feel like they need a bath to get the snake oil off. Selling with integrity and providing substance is an art that I fully understand. More importantly, I am credible.

I doubt any team in the indoor league has enough money to buy me out of my current career. I've been down that path. I'm very happy to get my sports fix on the side while I make real money at my full time gig. One day I had an exchange with my last sports boss. After unsuccesfully trying to intimidate me and treat me like a kid (I'm a full grown man with full grown kids BTW), he stopped in his tracks and said "I get it, you can get a job making twice this". I told him thats where he was wrong, I could get a job making 4 X what they paid me....over night....and then I did....and it's the best decision I've ever made.

Now, this minor league sports stuff is back to being a passion for me. Only difference between now and before my sports career, I can tell the difference between marketing with integrity from BS now.

PS. I'm not going to engage in a long exchange with you chopping up each others words,etc. Thats for you to do. I'll conceed that "win" to you. I wouldn't want to be responsible for tearing down your house of cards. My points are well made. They have merit. They are based in reality. Just remember...when a person has to constantly explan or defend themselves...or quote themselves for "legitimacy", etc....there is a credibility problem. If what you and the Turfcats present are true...or if people respected the people presenting/saying it...you wouldn't have to repeat yourselves over and over and over and over and over and over again. It sounds like you are trying to convince yourselves of your BS more than anything else. While the gloves are off, you bring down this board. Your drama and the need to be the center of the indoor football universe ruins it for everyone else.

[trifecta]

Fantastic Line at the end of the last post from Big Easy...

So perfectly on the mark that my only problem with it is I wish I would have written it.

Caballo's need to be in the middle of the Indoor Football Universe......

That does pretty much describe the VOLUMNOUS posts on EVERY messageboard that has anything to do with this sport.

[Caballo Diablo]

Fantastic Line at the end of the last post from Big Easy...

So perfectly on the mark that my only problem with it is I wish I would have written it.

Caballo's need to be in the middle of the Indoor Football Universe......

That does pretty much describe the VOLUMNOUS posts on EVERY messageboard that has anything to do with this sport.

As usual you've got to hang on someone else's coat tails - lol.
At least Big Easy knows how to carry on an intelligent conversation, all you know how to do is whine and cry about things.

Every message board - lol - shows how little you actually know about the sport and it's forums. ArenaFan, yesterday was the first Time I've even looked at that site in a very long time. I had to go check it out because you were too boring - haha. af2 Fan Zone, I've got zero posts on that site. Do you know how many sites are related to the sport? How many can you connect me to? Have you been drinking again?

As Big Easy said, put down the crack pipe - haha. I'm here because I'm passionate about the sport, enjoy reading information, (if you hadn't realized it this is one of the best sites to read sports articles. The forum is only one part of the site), talking with other fans and jousting with Trolls. If you don't like it there are options. You could go to sites you prefer better and avoid the ones you don't fit in. You try to be at the center of it just to tear it down.

Which one seems to be a goofier reason to be here, because your passionate about the sport, or because you're addicted to whining. They do have medication for that, but the first step is admitting the problem and seeking professional help.

You still haven't answered the long standing question, why do you continue to come to a site about things you dislike? Most prefer to frequent sites with a positive vibe. Sooner or later all that negativity is going to melt your brain, and quite frankly I believe it has already begun.

In no way am I the center of the Indoor Football universe, but I am a part of it. Can you say that Tri? You refuse to attend games, only come here to smack people. Usually you're wrong. This is typically called a Troll on forums.
I've got positive reasons to be here, you slither in on your belly and whine about the actions of others? Haha, you are a funny guy, delusional, but still entertaining.

Check the "views" across the different pages. You see I realize some agree with posted opinions and some disagree. But they do continue to read as you have become their entertainment, their joke of the day. So you have served a use. It goes far beyond the T-Cats as to the people commenting on you. It does seem to be the only conversation floating around the 50 yard game that's more negative than your attitude here, but hey that's your forte` and seems to be a badge you wear proudly.

So in reality you do have control over it. Continue to come here just to disrespect the sport, the various leagues and teams and I'm pretty certain to have a response. You've spouted more BS than all the GM's combined.

[Big Easy]

CD, I was a bit harsh on you last night...and for that I apologize. When you accused me of being "jealous" of the GM...that set me off. I don't have a jealous bone in my body so I should have laughed it off...but I was insulted by the barometer that you used. I don't know him well....but I know him well enough. I'm not going to expound any farther on that. It is what it is. As for your fueds and accusations of whining, it takes two....and thats my last comment on that.

I also apologize to the board owner and board members for the tone I took. I try to be humble, credible, rational, mature, etc....not only here but in my personal and professional life. Thats the path to success that has worked very well for me. I don't know that I've ever had a blow up here before....and I don't want to become part of the ridiculous drama (here) either.

[Caballo Diablo]

Big Easy,
No offense taken and you have nothing to apologize for. You answer questions and discuss your beliefs. Whether people agree with my opinions or not doesn't matter, but I also try to give my reasonings behind them, misguided or not.

I can be a butthead, my wife keeps me fully aware of that - lol. But I don't smack and run, I try to honestly discuss things even if people feel my views are distorted. I'm just an average avid fan, nothing more, nothing less.

TriFecta seems to avoid answering questions as he throws out blanket statements and personal digs.

Has he ever had a positive post or actually supported the 50 yard game? Is he a masochist and just enjoys pain and suffering? From his perceived attitude towards the industry, surly he can't be enjoying the forum.

His top 3 priorities in his agenda seem to be;
1) Bash Ron
2) Bash the TurfCats
3) Bash the SIFL

I don't claim to know it all or have all the answers, I've also spoke out against things I've disliked.

Does he dislike the SIFL because the T-Cats were there, or does he have a legitimate beef about them? Does he dislike the TurfCats solely because of Ron? Did Ron steal his lunch money in grade school or was he embarrassed at a college football game where his team folded like a cheap patio chair as Ron smiled at him from the stands?

Possibly "Trifecta is an alias just to smack these 3 areas and he also posts under another name? (make note to trace the IP) Possibly he's been to a few TurfCat games, just not in the stands, but on the opposite sidelines? Would he hold up to scrutiny if we could follow him to work and judge his performance? Most of us wouldn't fair well in that situation.

Will he switch to bashing the IFL now that Austin has moved there?

I don't dislike the SIFL because Austin has moved. I don't dislike the people I've butted heads with over the past year. I will still follow the SIFL, although not as closely. I hope they grow and improve each season along with the other leagues.

If I felt something was as poor as he states, then I would move on to greener pastures and search for a more pleasurable hobby.

But please don't go away, we need to keep the forum alive during the offseason and give people a reason to come here.;)