Really?

[mudbugsfan]

A player who had 3 second half touchdowns in his teams FIRST WIN, was "edged" out by a player who had a interception and a fumble recover in a BLOWOUT WIN. The POTW Award needs to be done with, well atleast the fans (Austin), make it a coach award.

This is just pathetic, Omar Haughbook deserved this. Is it going to come down to everyone voting against Austin?

[gonzo13]

Omar absolutely deserved this. The best passer rating in the league? Come on. But give it to the Austin fans/staff/whoever. They're getting it done in the polls. Everyone else is going to have to get the word out to help on of their guys win one.

[mwhite212]

I voted for the guy, but this dosn't surprise me. I still say that poll is suspect at best. And why does it seem to me to be at the very last minute? I really hope the SIFL disolves this silly poll. The same team winning over and over is getting just a tad old.

[Caballo Diablo]

REALLY?
A player who had 3 second half touchdowns in his teams FIRST WIN, was "edged" out by a player who had a interception and a fumble recover in a BLOWOUT WIN. The POTW Award needs to be done with, well atleast the fans (Austin), make it a coach award.

This is just pathetic, Omar Haughbook deserved this. Is it going to come down to everyone voting against Austin?

I'm asking myself the same thing, REALLY?

First off, let me congratulate The Conquerors on their first victory - Good job guy's.

3 TD's in the second half, wow that is unprecedented. Have you got any other stats on his game? There are just a lot of zeros on the stat sheet.
What was his attempts and completions? How about yardage? Did he throw any picks? Was he sacked? Did he do a good job avoiding sacks or moving around to avoid the rush while buying time to find a receiver? Not being sarcastic, I can't find the stats and didn't see the game. How were the 13 first half points scored?

3 TD's in 2 quarters isn't enough in itself to win awards. yeah, it was their first win, but against a 1-4 team that their only win was against Houma. Once again, the win is nice, but not impressive enough to be claiming awards.

Yes, Austin won in a blow out. Don't worry, you'll also get a shot at the Crunch. Only the Swashbucklers can avoid them - lol. The TurfCats backups got lots of action, they didn't try to destroy them with the first unit all game.

J.R. had a little more impressive stats than you listed.
He had 2 sacks, 1 interception, 1 forced fumble, and 1 fumble recovery. those are some pretty impressive stats.

Austin had 3 playerss with 2 sacks each, Rutledge had 2 interceptions, also pretty good stats. Darrick Wallace had 212 All-Purpose yards, that's pretty impressive. If DeRon Ellis hadn't taken 19% of the vote J.R. would have won big over Omar, not just edged him out.

I really am interested in Omar's game stats and overall performance before saying he did or didn't deserve it, but 3 TD's isn't enough to overcome J.R. stats.

What's pathetic is you actually believe Omar had a better game than J.R., sounds like sour grapes. Vote for or against whoever you want, that's your right. I've got bigger goals to worry about over the rest of the season besides an opinion poll.

[Caballo Diablo]

The same team winning over and over is getting just a tad old.
I heard that a lot about the New England Patriots also.

What difference does it make where the player plays? Would you prefer if a `Bucs player won it all of the time? The `Bucs and T-cats always seem to have players with great performances. The MudBugs have Kemmie Lewis that is having a great year and should be in the running more often. What's up with the M-Bugs website, it's a couple off games behind.

I's not like a weak performance beat out a great one.

[Caballo Diablo]

Omar absolutely deserved this.
I disagree, his 3 second half TD's are average.

The best passer rating in the league?
that's not what the PLAYER of the GAME AWARD is for.
The best passer rating would be considered in the PLAER of the QUARTER AWARD. and vote can't be manipulated by fans.

There has to be something else behind that stat, they just won their first game, against a bad team. you would think the best passer rating would equal wins. Are they short dump offs to boost his percentage? It sure would be nice if all of the games were available to watch over the net.:(

[gonzo13]

I'm asking myself the same thing, REALLY?

First off, let me congratulate The Conquerors on their first victory - Good job guy's.

3 TD's in the second half, wow that is unprecedented. Have you got any other stats on his game? There are just a lot of zeros on the stat sheet.
What was his attempts and completions? How about yardage? Did he throw any picks? Was he sacked? Did he do a good job avoiding sacks or moving around to avoid the rush while buying time to find a receiver? Not being sarcastic, I can't find the stats and didn't see the game. How were the 13 first half points scored?

3 TD's in 2 quarters isn't enough in itself to win awards. yeah, it was their first win, but against a 1-4 team that their only win was against Houma. Once again, the win is nice, but not impressive enough to be claiming awards.

Yes, Austin won in a blow out. Don't worry, you'll also get a shot at the Crunch. Only the Swashbucklers can avoid them - lol. The TurfCats backups got lots of action, they didn't try to destroy them with the first unit all game.

J.R. had a little more impressive stats than you listed.
He had 2 sacks, 1 interception, 1 forced fumble, and 1 fumble recovery. those are some pretty impressive stats.

Austin had 3 playerss with 2 sacks each, Rutledge had 2 interceptions, also pretty good stats. Darrick Wallace had 212 All-Purpose yards, that's pretty impressive. If DeRon Ellis hadn't taken 19% of the vote J.R. would have won big over Omar, not just edged him out.

I really am interested in Omar's game stats and overall performance before saying he did or didn't deserve it, but 3 TD's isn't enough to overcome J.R. stats.

What's pathetic is you actually believe Omar had a better game than J.R., sounds like sour grapes. Vote for or against whoever you want, that's your right. I've got bigger goals to worry about over the rest of the season besides an opinion poll.

From the league office, Omar does have the highest passer rating in the league. Not saying nobody else deserves the award, I'm sure the whole list was worthy but if anybody did, itwas Omar.

[Radio Jack]

Here's the deal guys. I agree that the POTW should be more spread out among the other teams (even though it is nice when one of your own guys wins it).

This is all marketing. The minute the poll is ready, the Austin staff and fans use Facebook, Twitter, e-mail and believe it or not the good old telephone to get the word out and remind people to vote.

I know for a fact that some of the LA teams have more fans than we do, the word just needs to be gotten out to them.

This is not a knock at any of the other teams, it's just me letting everyone know that there is no cheating involved and that everyone has the same chance.

So I challenge all the other teams to do the same. When the poll comes out, get to twitting, facebooking, e-mailing and picking up the phone.

Good luck to everyone.

[Caballo Diablo]

From the league office, Omar does have the highest passer rating in the league. Not saying nobody else deserves the award, I'm sure the whole list was worthy but if anybody did, itwas Omar.

Now I'm confused?
What was from the league office, his passer rating? I wasn't questioning his season rating, I was wanting to know his stats for this last game against the pirates. The stat sheet on the SIFL site is still all zeros except the score. not sure what happened with the stats - lol

All I know is you said he threw 3 TD's in the second half, lots of QB's do that in the 50 yard game, it's not special enough to beat out great stats by another player. Not bad mouthing Omar or questioning his rating.

[gonzo13]

Now I'm confused?
What was from the league office, his passer rating? I wasn't questioning his season rating, I was wanting to know his stats for this last game against the pirates. The stat sheet on the SIFL site is still all zeros except the score. not sure what happened with the stats - lol

All I know is you said he threw 3 TD's in the second half, lots of QB's do that in the 50 yard game, it's not special enough to beat out great stats by another player. Not bad mouthing Omar or questioning his rating.

You won dude, you're guy won the award, just like every week. Congratulations.

[Caballo Diablo]

You won dude, you're guy won the award, just like every week. Congratulations.

I didn't win anything, and I'm not gloating.
I was having a conversation and asking questions, I thought that's what you did on forums. It looks like we both lose if discussion ends over frustration.

[mwhite212]

I'm asking myself the same thing, REALLY?

yeah, it was their first win, but against a 1-4 team that their only win was against Houma. Once again, the win is nice, but not impressive enough to be claiming awards.


And your Austin win was against a semi-pro team with sub-par talent in skilled positions that got thrown to the wolves in a 71-15 BLOW OUT. Hardly anything impressive enough to be claiming awards. ;)

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

It's not sour grapes....this is beginning to smell bad. Rightly or wrongly. If people get the IMPRESSION that the system of selection is somehow unfair, they will lose all interest. Which is actually what I think is actually happening already to the poll. My personal general rule of thumb....avoid even the APPEARANCE of impropriety. Futhermore, there is simply no drama when an Austin player is up there....I and others am sure....will just start assuming if an Austin player is in the picks, he will win. The press release even stated that the only times Austin didn't get it was the very first game they lost to the Mudbugs and the two weeks they didn't even have a player on the list. And it just gets dull for goodness sake. Oh, boy, Austin one the Vidswap....AGAIN. Like eating too many chicken salad sandwiches.

I'm not sure your comment about New England coralates. The SIFL governing body is trying to establish itself in its first year to prove professionalism and impartiality. The NFL has been around for decades and has a track record to fall back on. Not that I'm saying the NFL is immune from corruption, but I think people would generally agree there is no systemic corruption. We have yet to see that for SIFL....again...not that I am saying that the SIFL is being corrupt. We just have no prior years to judge them impartially by. But I think they just need to ditch this stupid poll because it could generate some bad blood between fans over something very insignificant. Or between owners and the SIFL.

And on a similar note, a larger effort should be made to give the other teams more face time on the SIFL site. Clearly the 'Bucs and 'Cats are going to steal the limelight for the time being with stats and wins. But there are other ways to shine a positive light on teams. Community reinvestment activities, player bios for those with compelling stories, etc.

My 2 cents anyway.

[gonzo13]

I didn't win anything, and I'm not gloating.
I was having a conversation and asking questions, I thought that's what you did on forums. It looks like we both lose if discussion ends over frustration.

I know what messageboards are for, this isn't my first rodeo. As a matter of fact, I'm the damn Don of the messageboard. What you're doing is rubbing it in after the fact.

You may not think so, but from the outside looking in, it really looks that way. Austin players have won 5 out of 8 player of the week awards, and it looks like narrow margins, and last second wins. It looks fishy.

I'm not what you would call a SIFL fan. I honestly don't care if the whole thing dries up and blows away tomorrow. That said, don't come on here and wonder what somebodys problem is because they question how guys from the same team win this award all the time. Everybody on the list was obviously worthy of winning it, to come on here an question other guys on the list after YOUR guy already won is sort of making an jerk out of yourself.

In parting, I hope Austin loses every game they play for the rest of the season.

[mavlax20]

mwhite, you say the SIFL is trying to have a league that is impartial...but when the owner of one team is the commish of the league, that is an automatic conflict of interest, case in point the situation with the Kings and the Crunch, the Kings were in the league long enough to get blown out by the commish's team, and then they get kicked out of the league shortly after, and a better team takes their place (I don't care what you say, the Crunch is a better team than the Kings) yet they will not make all games that the Crunch and the Kings play as exhibition games that are not counted towards records, and if it comes down to a tie-breaker, the commish's team is in the driver's seat because they got to play a jr high team. And don't look for the league to hurry and announce the make-up game for the Turfcats and Pirates, because if that game is not played, the commish's team maintains a 1 game edge, therefore will stay ahead of any other teams...it is a conflict of interest, and I really feel that if you own a team, you should not be a part of a front office...I mean, the commish's personal vehicle is decorated with Swashbucklers logos and paint....no favoritism there right?

[mudbugsfan]

See, this is where you are wrong, Thom Hager is not the "commish", he is the president, so before you start accusing Thom, check your facts.

[Caballo Diablo]

See, this is where you are wrong, Thom Hager is not the "commish", he is the president, so before you start accusing Thom, check your facts.

haha, semantics.
He started the league to save the `Bucs from going to a more expensive league that has just as many problems as the SIFL. He's the President/Owner of the league.

You guys get all upset over a FAN Poll open to anyone with internet access. Are talking about APPEARENCES and IMPRESSIONS over that but brush this off as meaningless?

lol

[Caballo Diablo]

And your Austin win was against a semi-pro team with sub-par talent in skilled positions that got thrown to the wolves in a 71-15 BLOW OUT. Hardly anything impressive enough to be claiming awards. ;)
Wouldn't it be funny if the Crunch gave Houma and the Pirates all they could handle - lol. You're right, Houma played a powerhous and he threw 3 TD's - WOW - lol

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
I agree, you do complain a lot:eek: - haha

It's not sour grapes....this is beginning to smell bad. Rightly or wrongly. If people get the IMPRESSION that the system of selection is somehow unfair, they will lose all interest. Which is actually what I think is actually happening already to the poll. My personal general rule of thumb....avoid even the APPEARANCE of impropriety. Futhermore, there is simply no drama when an Austin player is up there....I and others am sure....will just start assuming if an Austin player is in the picks, he will win. The press release even stated that the only times Austin didn't get it was the very first game they lost to the Mudbugs and the two weeks they didn't even have a player on the list. And it just gets dull for goodness sake. Oh, boy, Austin one the Vidswap....AGAIN. Like eating too many chicken salad sandwiches.
The impression the system is unfair - huh? It's an open vote to anyone, are you familiar with Pro Bowl and MLB All-Star voting? Fair? You don't like the out come, we got it, it's a freakin poll. are you unhappy that some Austin players were also chosen in the player of the quarter awards? That was coaches and league offices.

I'm not sure your comment about New England coralates.
Sure it does, I heard lots of people complain when all the wins and attention went to them. I heard lots of people complain when they won multiple SuperBowls. Doesn't make it right, just shows the out come doesn't matter, someone will complain.


The SIFL governing body is trying to establish itself in its first year to prove professionalism and impartiality. The NFL has been around for decades and has a track record to fall back on. Not that I'm saying the NFL is immune from corruption, but I think people would generally agree there is no systemic corruption. We have yet to see that for SIFL....again...not that I am saying that the SIFL is being corrupt. We just have no prior years to judge them impartially by. But I think they just need to ditch this stupid poll because it could generate some bad blood between fans over something very insignificant. Or between owners and the SIFL.
CORRUPTION ?
A fan poll constitutes league corruption?
Bad blood because of a fan poll, wow, you take this a lot more serious than you admit.

And on a similar note, a larger effort should be made to give the other teams more face time on the SIFL site. Clearly the 'Bucs and 'Cats are going to steal the limelight for the time being with stats and wins. But there are other ways to shine a positive light on teams. Community reinvestment activities, player bios for those with compelling stories, etc.

My 2 cents anyway.
I agree, all of the teams need their share of face time. much of it comes down to the front offices writing and releasing their own material and not waiting for the league office or someone else to do it. I think the new Houma marketing deal should help out tremendously.

If you hadn't noticed I promote the entire league and have talked good about the iother teams. Sure, I'm a Turfcat fan, but I don't make a habit of smacking or talking negative about any of the teams.

[mwhite212]

mwhite, you say the SIFL is trying to have a league that is impartial...but when the owner of one team is the commish of the league, that is an automatic conflict of interest,

I'm just a little confused by your tone, because I think we probably pretty much agree with each other. I also said "We have yet to see that (meaning impartiality) from the SIFL." I don't know one way or the other if it's being impartial. Though to follow with your own logic of the 'Bucs owner being president of the League, you would have thought the 'Bucs would have won all these Vidswap polls instead. I'm not ready to accuse anyone of anything yet because it's unfounded and is just based on gut feelings. I'm just saying that it looks and smells funny and it needs to be rectified for the sake of the (admitedly faultering) credibility of the league. This is a stupid thing to start alienating fans over and making them FEEL disenfranchised in this way.

But, yes, it is a fairly apparent conflict of interest to be both an owner of a team and league president. I'm pretty sure the Pres has some kind of input on the appointment of the Comish. Though I don't think any real foul play has happened other than starting a league with disproportionate money and talent resources. The 'Bucs and the 'Cats being the clear leaders in those areas.

If I had it my way, the player of the weak would be determined as follows:

1 ) Determine some kind of baseline for relevant stats and compare them to the player being considered. Let's say this is half the score.

2 ) Consider the current standing of both teams. So if a 1-4 team beats a 3-2 team, the player on the 1-4 team being considered would score more points than a player on a 5-0 team playing a 1-4. Let's say this accounts for 1/4 of the score.

3) Fan poll. The winner of the poll gets X points and this accounts for another 1/4 of the score.

This way....the majority of the score is based upon actual performance vs relative difficulty of the contest. The fan poll (popularity) would push a player over the edge in a close match up.

My OTHER 2 cents.

[Caballo Diablo]

I know what messageboards are for, this isn't my first rodeo. As a matter of fact, I'm the damn Don of the messageboard. What you're doing is rubbing it in after the fact.
Untrue, I didn't start the thread and put down a player. I replied that I don't feel 3 second half TD's were above average play. I congratulated them for winning. You sir are stomping hard on those sour grapes.

You may not think so, but from the outside looking in, it really looks that way. Austin players have won 5 out of 8 player of the week awards, and it looks like narrow margins, and last second wins. It looks fishy.
Your attitude over it is what seems fishy. Anyone that cares looks deeper than who won or not.

I'm not what you would call a SIFL fan. I honestly don't care if the whole thing dries up and blows away tomorrow.
BS, or you wouldn't be here on their forum unles you cared or were a Troll.


That said, don't come on here and wonder what somebodys problem is because they question how guys from the same team win this award all the time. Everybody on the list was obviously worthy of winning it, to come on here an question other guys on the list after YOUR guy already won is sort of making an jerk out of yourself.
Are you really that ignorant, I thought this was your first rodeo? If you post people are allowed to respond. When they smack guys they should expect the same. But I hadn't smacked anyone like you guys have, If you can't handle the discussion so be it. You are the one acting like a jerk posting crap and thinking you're immune from rebuttal.


In parting, I hope Austin loses every game they play for the rest of the season.
Sorry, not going to happen. We've still got 3 games left against the Pirates - lol. The one against Acadiana should be a good one, but I doubt the T-Cats will throw 4 picks in that game like the first time around. He's only thrown 1 pick in 5 games since. The really tough game is this monday night in lake charles. The Swashbucklers are looking for revenge and will have a raucus crowd on hand.

Hoping Austin loses all of their remaining games because of a fan poll you don't like? And you call me the jerk - hahaha, you might want to seek professional help for those insecurities.

[Caballo Diablo]

I'm just a little confused by your tone, because I think we probably pretty much agree with each other. I also said "We have yet to see that (meaning impartiality) from the SIFL." I don't know one way or the other if it's being impartial. Though to follow with your own logic of the 'Bucs owner being president of the League, you would have thought the 'Bucs would have won all these Vidswap polls instead. I'm not ready to accuse anyone of anything yet because it's unfounded and is just based on gut feelings. I'm just saying that it looks and smells funny and it needs to be rectified for the sake of the (admitedly faultering) credibility of the league. This is a stupid thing to start alienating fans over and making them FEEL disenfranchised in this way.


What I'm confused over is why a meaningless fan poll is so important?
How can it be compared to how the league is run?

[mwhite212]

CORRUPTION ?
A fan poll constitutes league corruption?
Bad blood because of a fan poll, wow, you take this a lot more serious than you admit.


I didn't accuse them of corruption. I was suggesting that with a brand new league and obvious disparities in team performance/resources and the fact that the President of the league owns a team could make some raise an eybrow. No? This poll is just one piece of the equation. IIIIIII am taking it seriously? Dude, I'm not the one pulling out the stat books to defend my position. And why pull stats into it at all when that is not what determines the player? I don't take it seriously at all, but it is serious for the league if it starts alienating fans. I feel you are all too quick to dismiss the feelings of others Caballo. By your own accounting I understand that you have "special standing" with the league and the 'Cats organization. So I guess you have becomes some sort of spokesperson of sorts for them. I think you even had an endorsement on this very forum from the Operations Admin of the 'Cats. If this is the case, I feel it is unwise to speak contemptuosly to the paying (or potential) customer base. Because I don't know if you see it, but you don't simply explain your position when you respond....you attack and even belittle others at times.

The winner of the weekly poll (and his team) get's placed on the home page of the SIFL website...which is a form of advertisement for the team in question. It also tends to marginalize the other teams when they are consistently edged out by the same team. Fans of these other teams want to see exciting things happen for their players as well. It would be best for everyone if the player of the weak was determined by an objective measure rather than a simple popularity contest.

Not being judgemental, but I'm pretty sure you voted for a 'Cats player every time, right? Of course other than times during a bye week. Everyone will naturally vote for their home team.

[gonzo13]

You're right, you do have the right to rebutt any post on here. But since your guy won, why bother? Do you feel the need to defend the fact that players from the same team win this award on a regular basis? If there isn't any monkey business going on, why even respond? We're all just haters right?

I hate to use this line again, but I really honestly, in all truthfulness could give two squirts of duck @#$% if the SIFL never plays another game. I got involved in this because I wanted to see Omar win. I know Omar, he's a good guy, and he deserves the award. That's it.I did the same thing when Bo Bartik was up for it. I was alerted after the fact that Austin players have won the award 5 out of 8 times.

Other peole got on here and agreed. People questioned why Turfcats players win the award more often than not. Then you come on and say because what the other guy didn't do enough to earn it. Sorry, maybe you didn't use those exact words, but that's what you said.

Here's the lowdown on this award, and others like it. Pay close attention folks. These are a public relations tool. A source of pride for players to be able to say, he I won X award. Or for teams to say "hey our guy won this award." It's meant to be spread around,so that all the teams get a little slice of the PR pie. This isn't a new sport, but it's been handled like a turd, so it's still in "fledgling" stages. Having a the same team win all the time, or the same guys win awards, or anything like that is BAD FOR THE SPORT because people lose interest if they know who is going to win.

This league was gracious enough involve the fans by giving them the vote,so props for that, BUT having a fan only vote is a bad idea, because this is how it works out. Same way Yao Ming gets into the NBA allstar game every year.

Is there anything wrong with everybody in Austin voting for their guy? Absolutely not. If I had a team in this league, I'd vote for my guy all the time too. But when they win it all the time, it pisses people off. That's it.

I'll sleep fine tonight with my insecurities. And staff writing job, covering sports where owners don't leave town in the middle of the night with my money. I just like to swing by here sometimes to talk trash, or promote a guy that I know. It didn't work out this time...No biggie.

I have a column due this week, and it won't be directed towards, nay, rather AIMED AT fans. Pay attention kids, I'm talking to everyone.

[mwhite212]

Good post Gonzo13. If the award was so damned insignificant why bother having it in the first place, right? Why not just have all the players forfeit their awards and do away with the poll? No harm no foul....no, because it DOES mean something to the players who receive them. It is an affirmation of their performance or adulation from fans. And is you pointed out....a source of pride for the team.

I also agree about the column. Never mind us...it's your fault fans. You're not voting hard enough.

[Caballo Diablo]

I didn't accuse them of corruption. I was suggesting that with a brand new league and obvious disparities in team performance/resources and the fact that the President of the league owns a team could make some raise an eybrow. No? This poll is just one piece of the equation.
I don't see how this fan poll fits in to the equation at all.


IIIIIII am taking it seriously? Dude, I'm not the one pulling out the stat books to defend my position. And why pull stats into it at all when that is not what determines the player?
The original poster brought up stats, he seemed to be impressed with 3 second half TD's. He then shorted Turner's stats and I corrected them and said in MY OPINION J.R.'s stats were better than Omar's.

I wasn't puffing out my chest, I didn't start a thread saying his stats were great.

How can you say stats have nothing to do with it? Isn't it called player of the game? How can they not be in the same equation - lol


I don't take it seriously at all, but it is serious for the league if it starts alienating fans. I feel you are all too quick to dismiss the feelings of others Caballo. A fan poll or fans opinion on a public message boards alienates the fans? - lol. maybe you should go talk to the real smack talkers then. Just because people have differing opinions doesn't mean they are being dismissed or attacked. I guess you've been dismissing my opinions then.

What's the difference, how come when someone disagrees with me it's just an opinion, but if I disagree it's an attack? I don't call names or get personal, I usually even give reasons behind my opinion like stats. You dismissed the stats as irelevant and me a Homer for using them.

Pot, meet kettle - lol


By your own accounting I understand that you have "special standing" with the league and the 'Cats organization. So I guess you have becomes some sort of spokesperson of sorts for them. I think you even had an endorsement on this very forum from the Operations Admin of the 'Cats. If this is the case, I feel it is unwise to speak contemptuosly to the paying (or potential) customer base. Because I don't know if you see it, but you don't simply explain your position when you respond....you attack and even belittle others at times.[/QUOTE[
I've got lots of endorsements but they don't have anything to do with forum discussions. You must be a sensitive person, attacks - haha - I guess you skip over the posts of others. Is it ok for people to speak bad to me, or do these rules only apply to me? There have been a few posters that have gone off, is that ok?

I'm a fan, that's all. if others can discuss their team so can I. I have also supported and advertised the league further and louder than any other fan on this forum. Your opinion seems awful one sided.
[QUOTE=mwhite212;117474]
The winner of the weekly poll (and his team) get's placed on the home page of the SIFL website...which is a form of advertisement for the team in question. It also tends to marginalize the other teams when they are consistently edged out by the same team. Fans of these other teams want to see exciting things happen for their players as well. It would be best for everyone if the player of the weak was determined by an objective measure rather than a simple popularity contest.
If the other fans feel so strong about it than maybe they should vote. most people at the games have no idea about the poll, maybe the team should promote it and educate their fan base. Most don't go to team or league websites. It's a very small percentage of Butts in seats that actually go to the sites and even fewer to the forums.

Sure it's nice to see someone you know in but that's about all. I could care less if a Turfcat never won it. I don't care if they make it a coach only vote or eliminate the award all together. I still think I smell some sour grapes mixed in with that fish smell.


Not being judgemental, but I'm pretty sure you voted for a 'Cats player every time, right? Of course other than times during a bye week. Everyone will naturally vote for their home team.
I haven't even voted in all of them a Turfcat player was involved with. I have thought a player from another team was worthy of the award a time or two.

[Caballo Diablo]

You're right, you do have the right to rebutt any post on here. But since your guy won, why bother? Do you feel the need to defend the fact that players from the same team win this award on a regular basis? If there isn't any monkey business going on, why even respond? We're all just haters right?
It wasn't about the number of awards this season it was about this particular game. Someone else started the thread, yes he touted Omar, but he was comtmptuous and disrespected J.R. I was defending J.R.s game against Omar's game, you not seeing that is telling. And yse, as a matter of fact some of you are haters. have you seen posts saying, "I hope Austin loses all of their remaining games?" How about people admitting they're pi$$ed over a useless fan poll. You guys are awful one way and throwing rocks from the porch of your glass house.

I hate to use this line again, but I really honestly, in all truthfulness could give two squirts of duck @#$% if the SIFL never plays another game. I got involved in this because I wanted to see Omar win. I know Omar, he's a good guy, and he deserves the award. That's it.I did the same thing when Bo Bartik was up for it. I was alerted after the fact that Austin players have won the award 5 out of 8 times.
Once again, I call BS or you wouldn't still be here.

You just admitted you voted for and wanted Omar to win because you know him and he's a good guy. The title of the award isn't "who's my bud".
I honestly feel J.R. had a better game, at least my vote was for the proper reason.

It shouldn't matter how many times a team or player wins. the discussion should be on the merits of their play in that specfic game. Several of you admit to voting against someone because their team wins too much instead of who the actual best player of the games were. And you've got the nerve to judge others - lol - you're too funny.

Other peole got on here and agreed. People questioned why Turfcats players win the award more often than not. Then you come on and say because what the other guy didn't do enough to earn it. Sorry, maybe you didn't use those exact words, but that's what you said.
That's close enough.
It was posted Omar absolutely should have won because of his 3 second half TD's. I disagreed, that's not belittling him or attacking the poster. He did belittle J.R.'s stats and under reported them. I still don't see the problem besides I disagreed.

Here's the lowdown on this award, and others like it. Pay close attention folks. These are a public relations tool. A source of pride for players to be able to say, he I won X award. Or for teams to say "hey our guy won this award." It's meant to be spread around,so that all the teams get a little slice of the PR pie. This isn't a new sport, but it's been handled like a turd, so it's still in "fledgling" stages. Having a the same team win all the time, or the same guys win awards, or anything like that is BAD FOR THE SPORT because people lose interest if they know who is going to win.
No, it's not meant to be spread around. that would mean it's a sham like the WWE. I'm not defending all 5 Austin wins as the best of that week, I am defending Turners this week.

It's not bad for the sport, and look around, many leagues are being handled like a turd.

This league was gracious enough involve the fans by giving them the vote,so props for that, BUT having a fan only vote is a bad idea, because this is how it works out. Same way Yao Ming gets into the NBA allstar game every year.
The league was gracious enough to invite me to be on the panel for the PLAYER OF THE QUARTER AWARD. Why, because I try to follow all of the teams and do judge things on performance and yes, stats are a part of that but don't tell the whole story. I respectfully declined. Why, because I am just a fan and felt it should be for the coaching staffs and league office, this award means a lot more than the weekly POW award. I also knew there would be some whinners if they found out a fan was on the committee.

Is there anything wrong with everybody in Austin voting for their guy? Absolutely not. If I had a team in this league, I'd vote for my guy all the time too. But when they win it all the time, it pisses people off. That's it.
That is truly sad, but I'll bet the Detroit Lions and their fans were pi$$ed off a lot last year also.

I could care less if Sammy Knight or Omar won it every week.

I'll sleep fine tonight with my insecurities. And staff writing job, covering sports where owners don't leave town in the middle of the night with my money. I just like to swing by here sometimes to talk trash, or promote a guy that I know. It didn't work out this time...No biggie.

I have a column due this week, and it won't be directed towards, nay, rather AIMED AT fans. Pay attention kids, I'm talking to everyone.
Soo, you cover a perfect league hmm. I didn't realize one existed, in the Majors or minor leagues.

I've had a target on my back before, fire away it's all for entertainment only.

[Caballo Diablo]

Never mind us...it's your fault fans. You're not voting hard enough.
There is a lot of truth to that. We've all seen worthy players miss the Pro Bowl or All Star game while an unworthy guy goes. Heck, have you seen the votes for Manny? How do you win a trip to the All-Star game from the suspension bin - lol

I would really like to see your guy win it several times in a row just to see you smack em for winning it all of the time - lol

[mwhite212]

So calling Gonzo13 "ignorant" is not an personal attack. Okay. Whatever, dude. I'm not being one sided....I'm being SIX sided. I'm interested in the development of a healthy league. You are taking this to a whole other level by taking every comment as a personal aspursion or some defilement to the honor of the SIFL. I think you are operating under the assumption that these are necessarily MY personal feelings on the matter. I just happen to be very good at empathizing with other people's view points. I assume you are interested in seeing the league thrive....we're having a discussion on whether or not the poll aids or hurts it. My opinions are from the standpoint of management and how I would look at things.

Let me put it in these terms. I'm in workers comp auditing...okay....so if I see a Dr. submitting claims for the same patient over and over again with the same injury, naturally I'm going to look more closely into it. Because it is NATURALLY suspicious. It is out of the ordinary for that to happen. Could be I investigate and, hey, the patient is just a real clutz and has fallen off a ladder a few times. Or, it may yield fraudulent activity on the Dr's part. Thing is....I don't know immediately just from looking at the claim. It would be irresponsible of me to ignore it. You have to at the very least acknowledge the POSSIBILITY of fraud.

Okay...with regards to the poll fitting into the equation. Of course it does. It is something else that the top two teams dominate. But it's okay when you're the fan or owners of the teams that dominate. I just have sneaking suspicion that if the shoe were on the other foot you may be crying foul as well.

NO! The STATS do NOT have anything to do with the final selection. They determine who may go on the list....but the final result is determined by a flawed polling system. Am I right? The total votes DO determine who wins?

No...I don't skip over other posts....but the number of posts on this forum are heavily weighted in your direction would you agree? I'm not at all sensitive. I've been through a bit more crap than you could imagine to get my feelings hurt by a few overly zealous fans. Wife having cancer - that was worse....losing my friends and getting shot at in Iraq - that was worse....losing everything I own in Hurricane Katrina and being dislocated from my family - that was worse. I think you need to go read some of your older posts and pretend they were written by someone else aimed at you and see how you like them. And I'm not talking about me....posts to other people. I could care less about the ones toward me. I'm sure trifecta and gonzo13 would probably agree with me at least.

[gonzo13]

It wasn't about the number of awards this season it was about this particular game. Someone else started the thread, yes he touted Omar, but he was comtmptuous and disrespected J.R. I was defending J.R.s game against Omar's game, you not seeing that is telling. And yse, as a matter of fact some of you are haters. have you seen posts saying, "I hope Austin loses all of their remaining games?" How about people admitting they're pi$$ed over a useless fan poll. You guys are awful one way and throwing rocks from the porch of your glass house.

Once again, I call BS or you wouldn't still be here.

You just admitted you voted for and wanted Omar to win because you know him and he's a good guy. The title of the award isn't "who's my bud".
I honestly feel J.R. had a better game, at least my vote was for the proper reason.

It shouldn't matter how many times a team or player wins. the discussion should be on the merits of their play in that specfic game. Several of you admit to voting against someone because their team wins too much instead of who the actual best player of the games were. And you've got the nerve to judge others - lol - you're too funny.

That's close enough.
It was posted Omar absolutely should have won because of his 3 second half TD's. I disagreed, that's not belittling him or attacking the poster. He did belittle J.R.'s stats and under reported them. I still don't see the problem besides I disagreed.
[QUOTE=gonzo13;117477]
Here's the lowdown on this award, and others like it. Pay close attention folks. These are a public relations tool. A source of pride for players to be able to say, he I won X award. Or for teams to say "hey our guy won this award." It's meant to be spread around,so that all the teams get a little slice of the PR pie. This isn't a new sport, but it's been handled like a turd, so it's still in "fledgling" stages. Having a the same team win all the time, or the same guys win awards, or anything like that is BAD FOR THE SPORT because people lose interest if they know who is going to win. [/Q}
No, it's not meant to be spread around. that would mean it's a sham like the WWE. I'm not defending all 5 Austin wins as the best of that week, I am defending Turners this week.

It's not bad for the sport, and look around, many leagues are being handled like a turd.

The league was gracious enough to invite me to be on the panel for the PLAYER OF THE QUARTER AWARD. Why, because I try to follow all of the teams and do judge things on performance and yes, stats are a part of that but don't tell the whole story. I respectfully declined. Why, because I am just a fan and felt it should be for the coaching staffs and league office, this award means a lot more than the weekly POW award. I also knew there would be some whinners if they found out a fan was on the committee.

That is truly sad, but I'll bet the Detroit Lions and their fans were pi$$ed off a lot last year also.

I could care less if Sammy Knight or Omar won it every week.

Soo, you cover a perfect league hmm. I didn't realize one existed, in the Majors or minor leagues.

I've had a target on my back before, fire away it's all for entertainment only.

Ok dude. This is tired, and after this I'm done with this entire subject.

For the record, I am a hater, and I am pissed, You happy? Isn't that what you wanted to hear? I've been banging on people on messgeboards out of pure meanness for years now, it's no sweat off my back, and certainly not the dumbest thing I've ever gotten mad over. I once got into a pi**ing contest with Jim Terry, and even agreed to fight him...Yeah I said his name, that's how I roll. :cool:

I wasn't mad over a fan poll however, it was at you, and the way you were talking to people on here who disagreed with you. That's the only reason I got invlovled in this thread AFTER the poll had closed. But what I think it boils down to is that you remind me of myself when I trueley cared about this sport, and not just a few of the people still trying to survive in it.....Good luck, you'll probably learn one day, but I hope you never have to.

P.S. If you need an explanation on that last part, PM me. No since in taking up anymore room with all of this hot air, and I don't want to let the cat out of the bag on an open forum.

[Caballo Diablo]

So calling Gonzo13 "ignorant" is not an personal attack. Okay. Whatever, dude.
Sorry, I assumed everyone here were adults and understood the meaning of the word. It is not an attack of any kind, it does not mean stupid, or any other derogatory remark. Being without sufficient specific information or knowledge isn't calling someone a bad name. considered you would think a person in managenemt would understand this.

ig⋅no⋅rant  /ˈɪgnərənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ig-ner-uhnt] Show IPA
–adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

Related forms:

ig⋅no⋅rant⋅ly, adverb
ig⋅no⋅rant⋅ness, noun


Synonyms:
1. uninstructed, untutored, untaught. Ignorant, illiterate, unlettered, uneducated mean lacking in knowledge or in training. Ignorant may mean knowing little or nothing, or it may mean uninformed about a particular subject: An ignorant person can be dangerous. I confess I'm ignorant of mathematics. Illiterate originally meant lacking a knowledge of literature or similar learning, but is most often applied now to one unable to read or write: necessary training for illiterate soldiers. Unlettered emphasizes the idea of being without knowledge of literature: unlettered though highly trained in science. Uneducated refers especially to lack of schooling or to lack of access to a body of knowledge equivalent to that learned in schools: uneducated but highly intelligent. 2. unenlightened.


Antonyms:
1. literate. 2. learned.

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Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.

»Related Words for : ignorant
nescient, unenlightened, unlearned, unlettered, illiterate

Main Entry: ignorant
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: unaware, unknowing

Synonyms: apprenticed, benighted, birdbrained, blind to, cretinous, dense, green*, illiterate, imbecilic, in the dark, inexperienced, innocent, insensible, mindless, misinformed, moronic, naive, nescient, oblivious, obtuse, shallow, thick, unconscious, unconversant, uncultivated, uncultured, uneducated, unenlightened, uninformed, uninitiated, unintellectual, unknowledgeable, unlearned, unlettered, unmindful, unread, unschooled, unsuspecting, untaught, untrained, unwitting, witless

Notes: stupid refers to lack of ability while ignorant refers to lack of knowledge

Antonyms:
aware, competent, educated, intelligent, knowledgeable, literate, talented, wise





NO! The STATS do NOT have anything to do with the final selection. They determine who may go on the list....but the final result is determined by a flawed polling system. Am I right? The total votes DO determine who wins?
How can you say that? Everyone in this thread that's unhappy about who has won is quilty of doing what they're accusing others of. It's been admitted votes were cast just because they know the guy, or he's a good guy. Then they complain it's just a popularity contest, well duh, you made it that way.

I do look at the stats and the performance of that particular game. There have been guys selected for the poll that didn't even have the best performance on their own team. There have been winners that I've disagreed with, but I have never voted for a player I didn't feel deserved it no matter what team he was on. There was one poll I think Deron Ellis of the T-Cats won, I didn't think he was the best that week and I didn't vote for him. I didn't vote for the guy on the other team either, I witheld my vote that week.

If you cast a vote for any reason besides you felt he had the best performance that week you've got no right to cast stones.



No...I don't skip over other posts....but the number of posts on this forum are heavily weighted in your direction would you agree?
That might be because I'm the most active poster in the SIFL section. If I weren't here it would be pretty dead. The combination of my posts and the ones in direct response far out weigh all others combined. Check the view counts, apparently plenty of peopl are enjoying it and the site benefits from the views.

Everyone has the right to post, now if I was responsible for blocking their accounts and preventing them from posting than I would be wrong.


I'm sure trifecta and gonzo13 would probably agree with me at least.
wow, 2 people?
I don't think there's a problem between me and trifecta, but at least I treat the Austin fans the same as everyone else - lol

I had lots more thoughts on the rest of your post, but I get the feeling you don't want to hear it. That was one of the things trifecta disliked, when I break a post down line by line and comment on every one, so I'll spare you.

[Caballo Diablo]

For the record, I am a hater, and I am pissed, You happy? Isn't that what you wanted to hear?
Nope, I don't care one way or the other. The intent wasn't to pi$$ people off or get them to admit things they really don't believe in.


I've been banging on people on messgeboards out of pure meanness for years now, it's no sweat off my back, and certainly not the dumbest thing I've ever gotten mad over.
Bruiser is that you! Oh wait, piglet from Ft Meyers - lol
You would be surprised how many go to MB out of meaness - lol


I once got into a pi**ing contest with Jim Terry, and even agreed to fight him...Yeah I said his name, that's how I roll.
I've got your back on that throwdown, he deserves more than a whoopin.

[Bruiser]

Not a mean particle exists in this rotund carcass you smarmy, long winded pompous jackass.

[mwhite212]

"Sorry, I assumed everyone here were adults and understood the meaning of the word." I guess indirectly saying that I am NOT an adult or that I don't know the meaning of the word, huh, Diablo? Dear God, you don't even see your own arrogance when you comment. How about this "Sorry, I didn't mean it as an insult." That's it. No condescension. No sarcasm. And now you're pulling out entire sections of the dictionary to pad out your post? Thanks for the lesson, but I am well aware of the technical meaning of the word. I would suggest that in common parlance, "ignorant" is a derisive term. And most people would take it as an insult as I'm sure gonzo13 did. So please don't come at me with some ridiculous semantic argument that you were just using the word as one would use the word "blue" to describe something neutrally.

Adults? And I guess some of us are more adult than others. How old are you Cabalo? I've really been curious about this, because I'm trying to understand your behavior on the forum. It's quite bewildering at times. My guess is that you're twenty something. I'd guess 24 to 26...maybe as old as 28. You just have that air about you - full of piss and vinegar and bit of a chip on your shoulder. I'm 39 myself with a wife and kid in the interest of full disclosure.

So how does your confrontational demeanor benefit this forum or the sport, eh? But I guess me and gonzo13 are the only ones who see it huh? We're crazy I guess. But I might say that these forums are dead BECAUSE you are here. Ruminate on that one for a moment.

But please enlighten me with your sage-like comments about the rest of my post. Take a stab at it....what would you like to approach? I'm done. I'll give you the last word....because you'll make sure you get it anyway. ;)

[kadamsbeat]

1. Poll is stupid, check www.labucs.com for what I think about it.
2. The SIFL Commisioner is Dan Blum who does come up with the final say not Thom Hager,
3. Hager will probably sell you the Swashbucklers for the right price so you wont feel he is cheating.
4. Kings dug their own grave, This was not a deliberate attempt for the Swashbucklers to roll an easier opponent. The fact that you even came up with that is as silly as meat on the outside of a sandwhich.
5. If the Turfcats and Pirates do not play that game before this season is over, it will ruin both teams, and there will be a very short post season because both of those teams will be ineligible.

[Caballo Diablo]

Not a mean particle exists in this rotund carcass you smarmy, long winded pompous jackass.

haha, the Big guy speaks.
You need to talk to guy that wrote the article about Sippio going for his 2nd Indoor Football championship. How can you be a writer for the sport and not know the difference between Arenaball and IndoorBall - SHEESH ! - lol

[Caballo Diablo]

"Sorry, I assumed everyone here were adults and understood the meaning of the word." I guess indirectly saying that I am NOT an adult or that I don't know the meaning of the word, huh, Diablo? Dear God, you don't even see your own arrogance when you comment.
No, but I do see your insecurity. maybe you should try and take things at face value instead of thinking too deep into a hidden meaning. Having different perspectives doesn't make either of us right ot wrong, it's all just opinion.
"
How about this "Sorry, I didn't mean it as an insult." That's it. No condescension. No sarcasm. Are you kidding, type a post under 1,000 words? get real - lol. No conedescenion or sarcasim? That would eliminate most of your posts also. You have trouble with reading between the lines and are incorrect in so many of your assumpitons. But it is good entertainment though.

"
And now you're pulling out entire sections of the dictionary to pad out your post? Thanks for the lesson, but I am well aware of the technical meaning of the word. I would suggest that in common parlance, "ignorant" is a derisive term. And most people would take it as an insult as I'm sure gonzo13 did. So please don't come at me with some ridiculous semantic argument that you were just using the word as one would use the word "blue" to describe something neutrally.
it seems you've got a problem with facts. You don't have a clue to the facts, your feelings seem to be twisting reality.

"
Adults? And I guess some of us are more adult than others. How old are you Cabalo? I've really been curious about this, because I'm trying to understand your behavior on the forum. It's quite bewildering at times. My guess is that you're twenty something. I'd guess 24 to 26...maybe as old as 28. You just have that air about you - full of piss and vinegar and bit of a chip on your shoulder. I'm 39 myself with a wife and kid in the interest of full disclosure.
Full disclosure, dang, I don't think I've ever actually posted my age before.
Just for you though, I'm 50, have a couple of kids and been with my wife for about 25 years. She's the only one I've ever had so this old jerk must being doing something right if she's willing to put up with me for so long. Man that looks so old when you see the number in front of you - lol.

These things do go both ways you know, that chip on your shoulder seems awful big also. You seem to enjoy scolding and pretending your opinion is the only one allowed. Are you by chance a school teacher? - haha - Maybe we could both look in the mirror at the same time. Sorry, I keep forgetting you take humor and chuckling as a serious insult. Did you sit on a burr or are you always this fun?
"
So how does your confrontational demeanor benefit this forum or the sport, eh? But I guess me and gonzo13 are the only ones who see it huh? We're crazy I guess. But I might say that these forums are dead BECAUSE you are here. Ruminate on that one for a moment.
I might say the earth is flat, doesn't make it so. Check the view counts on the threads. Talk to the teams/league about hits on their sites. I know it's evil, but money does make the world go round. The internet is run off of advertising money, that is determined by hits/views.

Look how popular the WWE is (personally i don't care for it), confrontation sells tickets. Waking people up and getting them involved sells tickets. A couple have spoken out in disagreement and I'm ok with that. You on the other hand feel disagreement equals disrespect for some reason. You do the same things I'm accused of and expect us to take it serious.

Look at the view counts, there are many more readers than posters. some agree with you, some agree with me, and some thik we're both full of crap. the important thing is they keep comming.

[mwhite212]

I know I said I'd give you the last word, so I won't respond to this post other than to say....

You're 50? Wow....just....I don't know....but wow....I'm at a complete loss for words.

[mwhite212]

I fully agree with your blog post regarding the poll, kadamsbeat.

1. Poll is stupid, check www.labucs.com for what I think about it.
2. The SIFL Commisioner is Dan Blum who does come up with the final say not Thom Hager,
3. Hager will probably sell you the Swashbucklers for the right price so you wont feel he is cheating.
4. Kings dug their own grave, This was not a deliberate attempt for the Swashbucklers to roll an easier opponent. The fact that you even came up with that is as silly as meat on the outside of a sandwhich.
5. If the Turfcats and Pirates do not play that game before this season is over, it will ruin both teams, and there will be a very short post season because both of those teams will be ineligible.

[Caballo Diablo]

I know I said I'd give you the last word, so I won't respond to this post other than to say....
We knew it it was untrue.

You're 50? Wow....just....I don't know....but wow....I'm at a complete loss for words.
This coming from a guy accusing others of back handed/veiled smacks?
You silly boy - lol

[mwhite212]

.......................

[football head 4ever]

I hate to use this line again, but I really honestly, in all truthfulness could give two squirts of duck @#$% if the SIFL never plays another game.

Then get lost, jackass.

The rest of us care about the league as a whole. And it goes beyond stupid polls and favoritism, or any one team. It's about seeing the league thrive in a challenging economic environment, overcoming the growing pains of most small leagues, and emerging with a viable product that all fans can afford to watch and have fun doing so.

Take your hatred somewhere else. I don't think anyone else here appreciates it.

[BUCKLERSWASH]

Wow some of you are real cry babies it is the first year of a new league gees!!!in 3 years then you can grip