View Full Version : CBA on hiatus, Cavs headed out
Precious Roy
05-30-2009, 08:49 PM
The CBA is done, for at least a season, as the Cavalry have decided to head to the PBL.
The story breaks in The Sunday Constitution.
a1sports
05-31-2009, 06:41 AM
Cavalry charges into new league
NICK LIVINGSTON
The CBA is gone.
With only two teams left after the end of the 2009 season, the nation's oldest professional basketball league was left on life support with a June 1 deadline to see if the league would attempt to return.
That day is tomorrow, and it will pass with nothing happening.
So instead, the Lawton-Fort Sill Cavalry have decided to move forward with their future in another league.
Enter the Premiere Basketball League.
Though the league itself is in its infancy, the Cavs ownership believes the PBL represents the team's best chance for viability in a tough economy.
"For us to do what we want to do, for now this is the league that is up and coming and being aggressive in the marketplace and has a lot of cool ideas," owner Mike Brown said. "Even if none of the ideas work and we just have a season with 10 teams that start and finish it's great."
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word from Minot ownership group is that CBA gone forever. Many outstanding bills the league has, cant be paid. NO new team wants to pay $ 50,000 entrance fee and $ 70,000 travel fee and then post a 50,000 letter of credit.
No old team wants to post letter of credit due to league seizing letters of credit for no cause.....wow....everyone seems to have the Joe ABA disease lately. Well at least when Joe took letters of credit for no good cause and cashed them the teams that sued got some money back from Joe.
Do you have a link for that article, P.R.?
Ken, Steelheads fan
05-31-2009, 11:19 AM
"For us to do what we want to do, for now this is the league that is up and coming and being aggressive in the marketplace and has a lot of cool ideas," owner Mike Brown said. "Even if none of the ideas work and we just have a season with 10 teams that start and finish it's great."
He's not exactly bubbling over with confidence, is he? Why even bother to have a team?!?
a1sports
05-31-2009, 11:41 AM
its called tax write -offs....
Not everyone in sports is looking to make money. They have tax reasons for doing it.
Precious Roy
05-31-2009, 05:59 PM
The Cavs owners are just wanting to have a season, period. They like what the PBL is doing, but they are more concerned with having a group of stable teams that want to go out and play and maybe have a schedule that is set by August for January games instead of having 1,500 different schedules on the day before the first game is supposed to be played.
I think the PBL is a little sketchy with its entire business model, but if they have a season with a stable group of teams then they win over the market here.
Ken, Steelheads fan
05-31-2009, 06:47 PM
its called tax write -offs....
Not everyone in sports is looking to make money. They have tax reasons for doing it.
...or they can just take the standard deduction and make more money without losing their shirt on minor league basketball. Heck! YOU posted the guy's comments. Did he seem confident to you (because he certainly didn't seem confident to me)?
a1sports
05-31-2009, 08:15 PM
Right form a Minot owner .... Fernandez of the CBA trying to cash in letters of credit from Minot for CBA expenses.. WOW. MInot blocking attempts for that to happen. East Kentucky never put in a letter of credit as requested last season. Joe N. meet Fernandez.....Birds of a feather
Based on Word from Minot owner... CBA is history.
Attempts to lure new teams into CBA.... no takers !!! ZERO , zilch !
Precious Roy
05-31-2009, 08:19 PM
CBA also trying to cash in Lawton-Fort Sill's letter of credit. Owners filed an injunction to stop it from happening on Thursday.
Was the final straw in a long line of final straws for the Cavalry to work with the CBA.
OKCAVS67
06-01-2009, 12:36 AM
The four owners of the Lawton-Ft. Sill Cavalry are confident in the team. They have been burned by the CBA owners and are tired of paying for more than just the teams expenses.
The owners feel that the PBL gives them a better chance to have a team for the city/ Area to enjoy that the last minute schedules and changes that happpend last year. Very hard to fill the seats for games when even the owners didn't if visiting teams were going to show up.
The PBL seems to have a better buisness model than the CBA/ ABA has.
Mike Brown, one of the owners of the team, even stated that they never concidered joining the ABA because of how it is ran, that is another reason why they didn't agree to play the pre-games with them at the start of last season.
I think the biggest issue at this point the PBL and the CAVS working out all the travel arrangements home and away games. Logistical Nightmare is what it will be.
a1sports
06-01-2009, 06:28 AM
so there you go... Now Fernandez/CBA want Lawtons letter of credit also....amazing. Who will ever want to go to the CBA if it comes back to life? NO one if you have the fear the league owner, which is fernandez, will cash in your letter of credit for league bills. Thats not what the LOC was for.
SO GOOD BYE CBA...
Fernandez, as your best friend in the ABA would say, SHAMEFULL !!!
ABARedWhiteBlue
06-01-2009, 07:30 AM
http://www.swoknews.com/main.asp?Top=1&SectionID=7
PBL better than CBA
NICK LIVINGSTON
Pie in the sky ideas can only get you so far.
However, if there is a season, then the Premiere Basketball League is better for the Lawton-Fort Sill Cavalry than the Continental Basketball Association.
As the Cavs make their charge into the PBL, the amount of ideas that could lead to money making ventures is astounding. There's the television network (sportstv.com), the China broadcast deal and let's not forget the possibility of gambling being a part of team websites, which will include the opportunity to gamble on PBL games. Those are just the tip of the iceberg of things they have put on the docket for next season.
But hey, if they just play the 20 games promised without having a fight over who goes where and who does what then it will be a successful campaign. On top of that, the games are played on weekends, so no more mid-week games that get in the way of school, work or church. Tack on the fact that the league doesn't start until January after most of football season and the league has a season that can work in this market.
Ken, Steelheads fan
06-01-2009, 09:12 AM
http://www.swoknews.com/main.asp?Top=1&SectionID=7
The subtitle of this article is like the pot calling the kettle...hmmmm...Old Ironsides or something like that. What?!? The China broadcasting deal and possible gambling on PBL games ISN'T pie-in-the-sky?!?
ABARedWhiteBlue
06-01-2009, 09:21 AM
The subtitle of this article is like the pot calling the kettle...hmmmm...Old Ironsides or something like that. What?!? The China broadcasting deal and possible gambling on PBL games ISN'T pie-in-the-sky?!?
I thought the same thing - not really a ringing endorsement.
I was curious how much depth the writer went with the rest of the story, but have no desire to pay for their newspaper's full online access.
ok, so according to the paper, the Cavs are joining the PBL. When are they going to officially announce it?
LightningMan
06-01-2009, 10:38 AM
ok, so according to the paper, the Cavs are joining the PBL. When are they going to officially announce it?
The first of the two articles in their paper was their announcement, but I too am waiting for the league (PBL) to make it official.
Precious Roy
06-01-2009, 04:06 PM
I thought the same thing - not really a ringing endorsement.
I was curious how much depth the writer went with the rest of the story, but have no desire to pay for their newspaper's full online access.
A lot of people wouldn't pay for the service, I don't and I work here. :)
I went into depth as to what went into the decision not to stay put in the CBA (with the craziness that happened last year) and why the team chose the PBL.
The core of the issue was this: They PBL has a lot of ideas, but that's not the real reason the team is going there. They are heading to the PBL because they are sure that the PBL will HAVE A SEASON and they will HAVE A SCHEDULE by August for games in January. They are excited to be able to sell sponsorships and tickets for games 6 months in advance instead of a day like they had to do last year when the CBA kept changing the schedule from second to second.
The second article was a column about why the PBL was good. I said in it that I thought things looked sketchy (especially no league fees but the league pays for stuff), but if they play their 20 games then it's better for the market here than not playing in a now bunk league.
P.R., you mentioned in an earlier post about the Cavs decision not to compete in the CBA merged schedule with the ABA and I feel that was a good choice. That was a good hint tha thet Cavs will be joining the PBL, but until the official announcement by the PBL, I would be cautious. Your fans deserve to see continued action in the form of that league(imo).
The article said that the CBA is down to two teams. It's sad that they have apparently folded rather than joining the PBL.
Precious Roy
06-01-2009, 05:38 PM
That CBA and PBL didn't merge because of Fernandez not being able to swallow his pride and give up control to jump to the PBL.
Frenandez held enough votes in the CBA that a "owner-owned league" was not really true. Fernandez held enough votes to outvote the rest of the owners, so even if the PBL wanted to merge, there wasn't enough other owners to be able to out-vote Ben to make it work.
It's a sad day for the CBA, let's hope that someday in the future they can come back with a bit of sanity.
That would be a good thought of the cba returning, but I think we all know that they burned too many bridges.
It would be nice if the remaining 5 teams could end up in the PBL at some time(yes, I said 5, even though only two are left).
OKCAVS67
06-01-2009, 10:20 PM
I believe that the PBL won't make it offical until the CAVS owners can come up with $200,000 League fee.
The Cavs owners are in the middle of generating those funds by selling VIP Sponsership that will allow the person to get pre-game activities.
As for the CBA, the only way it will or can come back is if Fernadez sells the league to someone that will turn it back into the league it once was before Mr. Thomas took control of it.
As for the PBL, I would like for them to get a few teams west of the Mississippi. The PBL message boards say something about a team in Las Vegas which isn't too bad, but I was thinking more along the lines of somewhere in Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Missouri and or Iowa. Mainly for travel reason but also to have some teams closer to Lawton.
Precious Roy
06-01-2009, 10:49 PM
I'd love to see a team in Wichita Falls playing in Key Yeager. Always thought that the rivalry would be great.
I would think that if there are any interested buyers for the league the CBA would need a new name(if it has any chance a fresh start would be in order).
panchess
06-02-2009, 07:41 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if the EBA bought the CBA name, like how the IHL and American Association names came back out of hibernation.
ABARedWhiteBlue
06-02-2009, 07:50 AM
That would be a good thought of the cba returning, but I think we all know that they burned too many bridges.
It would be nice if the remaining 5 teams could end up in the PBL at some time(yes, I said 5, even though only two are left).
Why 5? There were 4 active teams in the CBA at the end of last season, and approximately 165 defunct teams from throughout its history. Did you want to include the Shreveport Crawdads? The Pottsville Pros? The Topeka Sizzlers? The Cherry Hill Demons? The Hamden Bics?
They all played the same number of games last year as the Xplosion. And will play the same number of games next year as well.
RWB, let's just agree to disagree about the Xplosion(my 5th team).
Aaronhere
06-02-2009, 03:14 PM
Why 5? There were 4 active teams in the CBA at the end of last season, and approximately 165 defunct teams from throughout its history. Did you want to include the Shreveport Crawdads? The Pottsville Pros? The Topeka Sizzlers? The Cherry Hill Demons? The Hamden Bics?
They all played the same number of games last year as the Xplosion. And will play the same number of games next year as well.
Please don't forget the Wisconsin Flyers
ABARedWhiteBlue
06-02-2009, 03:33 PM
RWB, let's just agree to disagree about the Xplosion(my 5th team).
Sure,
you agree to stop shoehorning the X into every thread, and I'll agree to stop pointing out the myriad reasons why they are DNR.
Deal... :-D
ABARedWhiteBlue
06-02-2009, 04:29 PM
gone------for now.
So is Hoffa....
:mrgreen:
1)Don't compare me to Hoffa(if that was a joke, it's not funny)
2) You don't controll who I root for
3) You don't represent the city of Pgh, you represent you-that's all.
utahstarsticketholder
06-02-2009, 09:14 PM
or maybe PM each other....Hey what about the Salt Lake Dream?....jk fellas.
jack
Tell it to the cows
ABARedWhiteBlue
06-02-2009, 10:24 PM
1)Don't compare me to Hoffa(if that was a joke, it's not funny)
2) You don't controll who I root for
3) You don't represent the city of Pgh, you represent you-that's all.
Relax.....
inhale/exhale/repeat
1 - Didn't compare YOU to Hoffa; played off your view of the Xplosion (gone---for now)
2 - Obviously; I prefer my teams to be active, but to each his/her own
3 - And you represent only yourself as well - as does EVERYONE else on this board. You don't speak for the city of Pittsburgh and its fanbase any more than I speak for them.
BTW - I'm happy to represent me, and what I have, although that is somehow demeaning to you ("that's all"); take pride in yourself and you won't need to live vicariously through an under-supported, under-financed and defunct minor league basketball team.
RWB, I respect you as a poster. I don't always post about the X(although it may seem like it to you), there are other subjects that I add input to. I know that you want the X to die out, but I refuse that train of thought and I wish you would respect me for that.
As far as the Cavs, I await the league official word on their joining the PBL.
ABARedWhiteBlue
06-03-2009, 11:54 AM
RWB, I respect you as a poster. I don't always post about the X(although it may seem like it to you), there are other subjects that I add input to. I know that you want the X to die out, but I refuse that train of thought and I wish you would respect me for that.
As far as the Cavs, I await the league official word on their joining the PBL.
Fair enough - bad day scenario with my reply (should always read it over before you post; good rule of thumb), but didn't want to delete the post to seem like I was hiding something.
Let's move on...
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runninref
06-03-2009, 03:21 PM
I hear the Rainbows are giving away free group hugs if you two are interested! Sorry ... couldn't resist.:D
Ken, Steelheads fan
07-17-2009, 01:42 PM
so there you go... Now Fernandez/CBA want Lawtons letter of credit also....amazing. Who will ever want to go to the CBA if it comes back to life? NO one if you have the fear the league owner, which is fernandez, will cash in your letter of credit for league bills. Thats not what the LOC was for.
SO GOOD BYE CBA...
Fernandez, as your best friend in the ABA would say, SHAMEFULL !!!
Did the Cavs pay the CBA ANYTHING??? Maybe that's why the CBA went after the Cav's letter of credit. Just wondering.
Lawton-Fort Sill sounds like the new Battle Creek. Blame their old league then switch to the PBL and ultimately cease operations anyway. Some people never learn.
Precious Roy
07-17-2009, 05:46 PM
By all accounts, the Cavs were paying EVERYTHING, not just anything. The Cavs were paying the travel budgets of Minot and East Kentucky as well as their own in that final season. They floated the money to the other owners even after they told them over and over before the season began that the CBA should suspend operations for a year to fix the economic state of the league. Those same owners that got money from the Cavs were the ones that said that if they didn't play they would fail. Well, they played anyway and they failed anyway.
The Cavs may likely fold on July 31, but it's not their fault the CBA is a mess. It's a fault of Fernandez holding three votes out of what was six total votes in a league "owned by the owners."
Had the CBA been about the owners and been a "team owned league" then maybe it would still be a viable league. However, at this point the league was being run by one person and masqueraded around as a league that is fair to everyone.
Sure, the PBL is run by two guys, but at this point the Cavs owners are ok with that because at least those guys are up front about it and not trying to pull one over on everyone.
Sorry to rant, but damn.
panchess
07-17-2009, 07:05 PM
Jim Coyne, the GM of the Patroons, was in the Sunday Albany paper. He obviously wasn't too worried about the Patroons in the article.
Somehow I think the Pats might be back. Just not this season.
a1sports
07-17-2009, 11:59 PM
Newman's favorite person>>>>>>> Fernandez
Fernandez's favorite person>>>>>> Newman
basketball facts
07-18-2009, 12:08 PM
Jim Coyne wanted to go to the ABA not Big Ben. Get your facts straight. Also, I think Coyne might have been fired recently partly because of the ABA decesion
Ken, Steelheads fan
07-18-2009, 10:25 PM
By all accounts, the Cavs were paying EVERYTHING, not just anything. The Cavs were paying the travel budgets of Minot and East Kentucky as well as their own in that final season. They floated the money to the other owners even after they told them over and over before the season began that the CBA should suspend operations for a year to fix the economic state of the league. Those same owners that got money from the Cavs were the ones that said that if they didn't play they would fail. Well, they played anyway and they failed anyway.
The Cavs may likely fold on July 31, but it's not their fault the CBA is a mess. It's a fault of Fernandez holding three votes out of what was six total votes in a league "owned by the owners."
Had the CBA been about the owners and been a "team owned league" then maybe it would still be a viable league. However, at this point the league was being run by one person and masqueraded around as a league that is fair to everyone.
Sure, the PBL is run by two guys, but at this point the Cavs owners are ok with that because at least those guys are up front about it and not trying to pull one over on everyone.
Sorry to rant, but damn.
If the Cavs felt the CBA should suspend operations to fix its economic state, then why didn't the Cavs simply take the year off on their own? Who put a gun to the Cavs heads to forge ahead and have a season? I guess I have a problem with the blame game.
...and weren't the troops at Fort Sill supposed to save the day with a boost in attendance? Actually, that's a trick question because I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas and we generally had a disdain for anything local. Instead, we took a lot of pride in our hometown/homestate teams. A poster was trying to convince me that things were different at Fort Sill, but my experience in the army was that it was the same old army everywhere I was stationed or deployed.
...and we were usually broke.
OKCAVS67
07-19-2009, 01:01 AM
If the Cavs felt the CBA should suspend operations to fix its economic state, then why didn't the Cavs simply take the year off on their own? Who put a gun to the Cavs heads to forge ahead and have a season? I guess I have a problem with the blame game.
...and weren't the troops at Fort Sill supposed to save the day with a boost in attendance? Actually, that's a trick question because I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas and we generally had a disdain for anything local. Instead, we took a lot of pride in our hometown/homestate teams. A poster was trying to convince me that things were different at Fort Sill, but my experience in the army was that it was the same old army everywhere I was stationed or deployed.
...and we were usually broke.
From what I understand of the situation of last year, the CAVS didn't take the year off because they had already committed to the season and had a schedule in place for the place they play at. The Owners simply wanted to have a good season for the fans.
It was almost like a double edge sword for them. On one side, if they take a year off they would lose money from advertisement and season ticket holders and just about any other fan support that you got from winning the championship.
The other side was to play, lose money and try to help make the CBA better.
Either way they would loose money so they figured to play and keep the fan support going. It was working until the season got cut short. Fans were starting to show up to the games. Not enough to make a difference for the rest of the league, but at least they were coming to the games.
As far as Ft. Sill and the soldiers, They were coming to games, but due to overseas deployments to the Middle East, there was not huge numbers of them attending games. There was attempts at getting the soldiers there by having Military nights - discounted tickets - that were scheduled, but the season was cut short before those promotions could take place.
Same as having College night - 1/2 price tickets, trying to get the students at Cameron Univeristy to come to games but that one never happened either because of the short season.
I should remind you that the Xplosion were part of the schedule, before they decided not to play.
skippy
07-19-2009, 08:52 AM
I should remind you that the Xplosion were part of the schedule, before they decided not to play.
Thanks for the reminder!
a1sports
07-19-2009, 12:19 PM
Big Ben is Joe junior...make no mistake about that when it comes to using others peoples money. Only Minot and Lawton put up a letter of credit ( NO PITTSBURGH DIDNT ). They were stuck...if they left the CBA they would lose the money in the LOC, reading the small print !!.. WHat is sad, a la Joe, is Big Ben tried to cash in both Minot's and Lawton's LOC to pay the CBA bills which are in excess of 400,000 dollars. Smartly both teams got lawyers to block Bens move !! CBA owes a lot of vendors money !!!!!!!
Joe = Ben, Ben = Joe
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