West Coast Standings

[preeths]

Received this from an ABA owner:


Maywoood Buzz 8-1 88%
Beijing Aoshen Olympian 6-2 75%
San Francisco Rumble 3-3 50%
Las Vegas Aces 3-3 50%
Inland Empire 5 Linx 1-1 50%
Arizona Rhinos 2-3 40%
Los Angeles Slam 1-2 33%
Phoenix Fury 1-3 25%
Los Angeles Push 1-4 20%
Inland Empire Rage 0-0 0%
Chico Rage 0-0 0%
Oakland Showtime 0-1 0%
Modesto Bearcats 0-4 0%

UPCOMING WEST COAST GAMES

Jan 6th
LA Slam (115) @ Las Vegas (121)

Jan 7th
Maywood @ Beijing

Jan 9th
San Francisco @ Las Vegas

Jan 10th
LA Push @ Phoenix
Inland 5 Linx @ Las Vegas

Jan 11th
Beijing @ Maywood
Inland 5 Linx @ Inland Rage
LA Push @ Phoenix
Oakland @ San Francisco
Chico @ Modesto

Jan 13th
Modesto @ Beijing

Jan 15th
Modesto @ Beijing
Maywood @ Las Vegas

Jan 17th
Arizona @ Beijing

Jan 18th
Inland 5 Linx @ Beijing
Arizona @ Inland Rage
LA Slam @ LA Push
Phoenix @ San Francisco

Jan 19th
Inland Rage @ Maywood
LA Slam @ Inland 5 Linx
Phoenix @ Modesto

Jan 20th
Maywood @ Arizona

Jan 24th
Las Vegas @ San Francisco

Jan 25th
Inland Rage @ Arizona
Beijing @ Phoenix
Inland 5 Linx @ LA Push

Jan 27th
Beijing @ Arizona

Jan 29th
Phoenix @ Maywood

Jan 30th
Phoenix @ Beijing

Jan 31st
Inland Rage @ Las Vegas

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Do you think you could email him back and ask him about scores of past games...?

[turbocamyes]

Here's what I have:

Maywoood Buzz 8-1 88% 6-1
Beijing Aoshen Olympian 6-2 75% 4-1
San Francisco Rumble 3-3 50% 3-2
Las Vegas Aces 3-3 50% 2-0 (not counting CBA games)
Inland Empire 5 Linx 1-1 50% 0-0
Arizona Rhinos 2-3 40% 0-1 (not counting Buzz forfeit)
Los Angeles Slam 1-2 33% 1-2
Phoenix Fury 1-3 25% 0-1
Los Angeles Push 1-4 20% 0-4
Inland Empire Rage 0-0 0%
Chico Rage 0-0 0%
Oakland Showtime 0-1 0%
Modesto Bearcats 0-4 0% 0-4
SLC Saints 2-0
WAS Raptors 1-1
SAC Heatwave 1-1
SD Wildcats 0-1

Games:

11/28/08 LAS 120 MAY 136
11/30/08 SDW 106 MAY 120
12/05/08 LVA 134 ARZ 128
12/05/08 SFR FOR WAS
12/06/08 SFR 123 WAS 109
12/07/08 SLC 128 MOD 98
12/07/08 MAY 112 SAC 100
12/08/08 SLC 105 MOD 91
12/12/08 SAC 116 SFR 106
12/13/08 MAY 100 PHO 91
12/16/08 MAY 116 BEI 103
12/17/08 LAS 126 BEI 121
12/19/08 LAP 116 MAY 121
12/21/08 BEI 110 MAY 101
12/22/08 SFR 97 MOD 96
12/22/08 BEI 128 LAP 116
12/27/08 MOD 88 SFR 95
12/29/08 LAP 96 BEI 123
12/30/08 LAP 117 BEI 138
01/06/09 LAS 115 LVA 121

[preeths]

I'll see if I can get some more scores. A look at these standings show five replacement teams. They're taking the place of Sacramento, San Diego, Washington and Alaska, all of which are done for this season, and Salt Lake City, which has been completely removed from the schedule. I've been told that SLC has been not been communicating and has at least one obligation that needs to be cleared up if they want to return to play.

[BuzzBasketball]

Here are the games played onthe west coast. I dont have all the scores, but I will track them down and no forfiets are included....as Beijing cancelled our game today at 3pm stating we have played each other twice and three would be to much...go figure


Maywoood Buzz 8-1 88%
Wins vs
LA Slam, Sacramento Heatwave, Phoenix Fury, (2) San Fernando Stars
SD Wildcats, LA Push, Beijing Aoshen Olympians,
Lost to
Beijing Aoshen Olympians

Beijing Aoshen Olympian 6-2 75%
Wins vs
(2) Los Angeles Push, (2) San Francisco Rumble, Maywood Buzz
Inland Empire 5 Linx
Lost to
Maywood Buzz & LA Slam

San Francisco Rumble 3-3 50%
Wins vs
(2) Modesto Bearcats, Washington Raptors
Lost to
(2) Beijing Aoshen Olympians & Sacramento Heatwave

Las Vegas Aces 3-3 50%
Wins vs
LA Slam, Arizona Rhinos, Gallup Talons
Lost to
(2) Minot Skyrockets, LA Push

Inland Empire 5 Linx 1-1 50%
Win over
LA Push
Lost to
Beijing Aoshen Olympian

Arizona Rhinos 2-2 50%
Wins vs
(2) Phoenix Fury
Lost to
Phoenix, Las Vegas

Los Angeles Slam 1-2 33%
Win over
Beijing Aoshen Olympian
Lost to
Maywood Buzz, Las Vegas

Phoenix Fury 1-3 25%
Win over
Arizona Rhinos
Lost to
Maywood Buzz, (2) Arizona Rhinos

Los Angeles Push 1-4 20%
Win over
Las Vegas
Lost to
Maywood Buzz, (2) Beijing Aoshen Olympians, Inland Empire 5 Linx

Inland Empire Rage 0-0 0%

Chico Rage 0-0 0%

Oakland Showtime 0-1 0%
Lost to
Sacramento Heatwave

Modesto Bearcats 0-4 0%
Lost to
(2) San Francisco, (2) Salt Lake City Saints

[TEN]

[QUOTE=BuzzBasketball;107844]Here are the games played onthe west coast. I dont have all the scores, but I will track them down and no forfiets are included....as Beijing cancelled our game today at 3pm stating we have played each other twice and three would be to much...go figure


Yeah...go figure...

[preeths]

Here are the games played onthe west coast. I dont have all the scores, but I will track them down and no forfiets are included....as Beijing cancelled our game today at 3pm stating we have played each other twice and three would be to much...go figure

That is ridiculous. Aren't they over here to play basketball? What else did they have going on that they needed to do?

[Sam Hill]

"I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD."

[runninref]

Sam ... don't forget about the mold ... that had to be a factor as well!:mrgreen:

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

"I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD."

And the condition of Elwood's car after the final chase bears a striking resemblance to the rest of the ABA this year as well...

[brucker]

So did Aoshen play a different team or just cancel altogether?

[kahunakats]

So has anyone on the board actually seen any of these games? It would be nice to get a full report of what a West Coast ABA game looks like. I might have to go see the Push/Fury game this Sunday just to see how bad things are.

[turbocamyes]

So has anyone on the board actually seen any of these games? It would be nice to get a full report of what a West Coast ABA game looks like. I might have to go see the Push/Fury game this Sunday just to see how bad things are.

There are some pictures of the Beijing games at their Chinese site:

http://www.aoshentv.com/a/show.php?id=4151

You can get some sense of the crowds.

[preeths]

Looks like another crowd most likely measuring in the dozens.

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Any progress retrieving additional scores Paul?

[preeths]

Just this one from Thursday, I believe:
Kentucky Bisons 115 Nashville Broncs 112

[PIONEERSFAN101]

Would be nice if the West decided to help us out a little more....BuzzBasketball? still alive out there?

[turbocamyes]

The Buzz updated their site to included two new scores:

01/02/09 San Fernando Stars 106 Maywood Buzz 137
01/03/09 San Fernando Stars 109 Maywood Buzz 126

Also, LV beat IE 5Linx 158-157 on 1/10. Beijing was originally scheduled to play at LV on the 10th.

[preeths]

Beijing will now take a 7-10 game road trip through Texas and the Midwest, presumably at the expense of their west coast commitments. I think it's clear that what Beijing wants, Beijing gets.

[turbocamyes]

Two more scores:

01/09/09 Los Angeles Slam 105 Beijing Aoshen Olympian 143
01/11/09 Los Angeles Slam 111 Maywood Buzz 115

[preeths]

A couple more:

Saturday - Kentucky 124 @ Aurora 93
Friday - Nashville 139 Atlanta 95

[turbocamyes]

Pointless, pointless, pointless, I know, but if the league had a schedule released prior to the season, and if all 40 teams listed at that time actually started the season with the intention of playing a 32 game schedule, then we would already have reached the mid-point (probably) of the season. If you consider the original Nashville schedule, their 16th game was on the 4th, so by that date there should have been 320 games scheduled. So far there have been 92 games played with 2 forfeits. There also at least 16 games for which I have no score but are counted in records released by various teams. And there’s the 22 games played against the CBA which theoretically would have been played against ABA teams (I only show 4 games rescheduled, but who knows.)

So, 91 (played) plus 8 (missing scores) plus 11 (CBA) equals 110 games, which works out to be 34% played. Theoretically.

[LightningMan]

Pointless, pointless, pointless, I know, but if the league had a schedule released prior to the season, and if all 40 teams listed at that time actually started the season with the intention of playing a 32 game schedule, then we would already have reached the mid-point (probably) of the season. If you consider the original Nashville schedule, their 16th game was on the 4th, so by that date there should have been 320 games scheduled. So far there have been 92 games played with 2 forfeits. There also at least 16 games for which I have no score but are counted in records released by various teams. And there’s the 22 games played against the CBA which theoretically would have been played against ABA teams (I only show 4 games rescheduled, but who knows.)

So, 91 (played) plus 8 (missing scores) plus 11 (CBA) equals 110 games, which works out to be 34% played. Theoretically.
Is it possible that a firm schedule is not being produced willfully so that they cannot be held to an accurate games played metric?

[preeths]

Is it possible that a firm schedule is not being produced willfully so that they cannot be held to an accurate games played metric?

There has been some speculation that's the case, but I know a league schedule was being worked on before the ABA COO spent some time in jail. After that, the sked was pieced out to several team owners, and I don't believe the one in charge of compiling the whole thing ever did it.

[preeths]

This one just came in:
Sunday - Kentucky 96 Chicago 91 OT

[turbocamyes]

Is it possible that a firm schedule is not being produced willfully so that they cannot be held to an accurate games played metric?

Man, I hope not because there is no way he’d get any owner to pay up and play next year.

Again, I’m about to overstate the obvious, but because the ABA’s only real revenue stream is the reservation fee it needs to walk that line where enough teams fold in order to bring in enough new teams/fees to fund the next season. But they need to fail because they were poorly managed, and not because the league’s business model proved to be wrong. Clearly the model has been proven wrong.

This year has easily been the worst. While other years have seen more teams fold or simply not play, this year there is no sense of a central, league-wide organization. In the past I’ve imagined that Joe Newman was frantically on the phone, trying to motivate or threaten teams into playing their games, or the games of folded teams. I don’t get that sense this year. He seems to have delegated the operations out to the teams and absolved himself (and the league) of any responsibility.

I don’t think we’ll see the league next year, at least in its present form.

[Sam Hill]

Man, I hope not because there is no way he’d get any owner to pay up and play next year.

We say that every year.

[LightningMan]

We say that every year.
I am getting more and more convinced that he'll sell franchises year after year until the NBA yanks the name from him or he is physically unable to sell.

[runninref]

Then he will continue to sell using the CBA name. The man is a cat with nine lives!:mrgreen:

[Paul S]

Joe is like Jack Bauer, James Bond and Jason Bourne all rolled into one.........

Seriously, we've seen Stallone climb mountains in a blizzard with no shirt, Shwarzenegger run across open fields with 40 guys shooting machine guns at him and he's pegging off guys with a handgun, Macgyver building a plutonium 237 warm fission weapon out of a bic pen and a pair of Oakley sunglasses, Jack Bauer just about to hear something important to break the case before the guy gets killed, Bond driving a Lotus Esprit underwater and Jason Bourne beating up 7 armed US Marines in a small room but nothing Hollywood can dream up compares to Joe.


The man will keep answering the phone, keep selling, keep this continuing downward spiral of a league alive.

Its actually a feat of business acumen that defies all known logic.

[preeths]

Wow, yet another fill-in team. From http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_11466517:

Basketball
Concord/Walnut Creek Showtime joined the American Basketball Association for the rest of the season and will play 17 games through the end of March. The first game is today at Tice Valley Gym against the San Francisco Rumble. Tipoff is 8 p.m. Admission is free.

[Dan K]

Is that the Oakland Showtime that has been talked about and appeared on the schedule of the proposed Pacific Coast Basketball Association?

[Paul S]

"Admission is free"

boy these guys are great businessmen and women aren't they.