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Glorydays
02-25-2005, 06:58 PM
Is it Golden Showers time for the Golden League?

Has anyone bothered to follow the recent stories about the Golden Baseball League? Yeah great idea, one league, several owners but it seems they havent completely done their homework on the reality of starting a league, let alone a team level.

They have spent their way into launching the league on promises and no clout. Considering under normal circumstances, small market, small staff etc. it takes $850,000 to run a franchise based on 1,400 average attendance (45 games) with group sales, and sponsorship revenues at a modest goal for year one. Even with the $1 million they received from Vons, they are still looking at between $4-$5 million in operating costs in year one (6 teams). Keep in mind, this doesnt include the $75k-100k each member of the corporate staff are making ($450k lets say at 6 employees). At $4-$5 million all of the teams would have to reach their target attendance to get close to breaking-even or limiting losses in year one. Well, what happens if one of the teams fails to meet the minimum attendance mark of 1,400 (and all of the teams will fall short except maybe Chico), then instead of breaking even in year one and thus being able to be self sufficient in year two, all of the sudden, each team is $400k in the hole on average($2.4m for 6 teams), and lets add that $450k in league salaries paid to the CEO, COO, CMO etc we are now looking at nearly $2.8 million in losses in year one. Not so awesome now is it? Considering the fact the league stated they received $2-5 million in funding, well that means $2 mill now and the rest under second phase of funding probably for league expansion. There must be real deep pockets somewhere with backup funding.

Two GM's have quit, and now the team in Tiajuana backed out so they are forced to field a traveling team? With only three months to go until the launch of their inaugural season? Hang with um guys.

One of the reasons that there hasn't been a new league formed on the west coast (for example similar to the old Western Baseball League which is what the GBL was trying to do), is that it takes time, demographical research, and due diligence to find the correct potential markets that can be profitable and find potential owners that are liquid for the required startup fees and operational costs for a five-year plan, and a business plan that is not designed by mathematics at Harvard or Stanford, but based on actual business experience and knowledge of the industry, its past history including successes and failures. They said they had this? The amount they spent on leases tells me no!

The WBL I believe paid no more than $50k for a ballpark lease, and the GBL have doubled and in some cases tripled the cost of their leases. If you are basing everything on a market like Modesto, CA who has lost money or had to severely cut back operating costs because they were losing money, this is mistake one. Long Beach and Chico are two different markets. LB has the Los Angeles media market ($300 for radio spot) and Chico has a small town market ($15 for radio spot). Budgets go a long way in different directions, especially when each team operates (inluding affiliated minor league ball) at an advertising expense around $100,000 annually. So in an effort to get things started, when met with issues they had not expected (high lease costs and lack of bargaining power), they could do the only thing they knew and thats throwing other peoples money at the problems. In a individual owner-owned league where different owners would negotiate different leases with their prospective cities, you can do some competitive bargaining and keep your lease in the $35-$60k range. When you set the precedent that the GBL did by paying out an estimated $200k in one case, how can you honestly look at one of the other cities and say, yeah i paid them $200k, but i can only pay your city $50k. That's instability and a bad business practice, and thus another reason why local ownership needs to be a teams foundation.

The WBL as a whole did not fail, it was because of owners not getting along with other owners, and wanting to do things their own way to enhance personal growth rather than building equity and stability in the league thus increasing the size of assets as an entire league and at the team level. I honor the GBL for wanting to fix that problem by having one owner. In a couple of cases with the WBL, it was owners that said I am not spending any more money (or bankrupcy), which is a sad case to commit to something and two years later not have the money to follow through. Indpendent and Affiliated Professional Baseball teams need to be individually owned and operated. But each owner needs to be fully aware of market conditions, and both sides of the puzzle the extreme profitability and the chance of true losses. The Northern league doesnt seem to have these issues, in fact they are growing into new markets each year.

One owner sounds good, but professional sports are a community-based "icon", born and bred into the community, supported by the community and its business owners, fans and more. If created correctly the team and its local ownership will thrive just like any other community run and operated small business. It's pride! People will come and support something they know they have a vested interest in. In the WBL's case, it was the structure of the league and ownership issues. If those simple issues (knowledge that each owner did not have the right amount of capital to keep going) were properly handled up front by proper league-stated business operation decisions, then they would not have had the issues they did. Look at Long Beach again, a community with over 500,000 people living in the city. How is baseball not successful there? They have a nationally ranked College program that doesn't get support either. Has anyone tried to find out why? I think its because dating back to 1996 and 1997, indy baseball was successful, two years, two championships, nearly 1,800 attendance per night and boom they were gone because of ownership! It was the ownership groups that left the bad taste in the mouths of others. I would say that the Long Beach market has that "oh great here we go again attitude". The Breakers then came along a few years later, and started the same way, championship in year one, building a strong community support system in year two, and then they were done because of the ownership decision to not place any more money in the franchise. So maybe thats why Long Beach doesnt have the attendance they should. Why? Because no one wants to be a part of something that enheritly will fail within a couple of years. Why waste your heart-felt vested interest in a team that will break your heart in a few years, especially when you can drive 20 minutes and follow the Angels, or 45 minutes and watch the Dodgers, or even better for FREE watch them both on TV. Granted I won't make that argument because Long Beach has plenty of baseball history and plenty of population to make a AA team be successful. STABILITY AND EQUITY! The keys to any successful minor league franchise. Not here's enough cash for year one and float down the river on your own.

I wish the GBL all the best, but i dont know how they will make it through year one, which will be sad for the future of indy ball on the west coast, because you cant keep explaining to communities why teams dont stay longer than two years.

Here is that link talking about Yuma and Tiajuana:

http://sun.yumasun.com/artman/publish/articles/story_15048.php

I am a market analyst and business research specialist who has been following minor league baseball for years. I have a vested interest in our pastime and its success on a local community level!

I would welcome your comments!

Brockton Guy
02-28-2005, 05:03 PM
I can understand most of your concerns, but I'm having trouble following you on the $50k number you stated for a lease. If a franchise could get a lease for $50k per year, that seems like it would be a steal.

Depending upon the facility, I would think that anywhere between $100 - $200k would be more in line with current leases teams have.

Glorydays
02-28-2005, 06:15 PM
Reports from former Western League officials showed that Long Beach paid $36k lease, as well as a percentage of beer sales and concession sales during LB State games, which I dont think totalled more than an additional $14k since LB State hardly drew big crowds. Chico, Yuma, and I think they had Solano and Yuba-Sutter, and St.George, UT. All of which from my understanding were between the $40k-$75k range. The guy who ran the league is the GM of the new Chico franchise GBL!

I agree with you that these were sweet deals. Now maybe they escalated in years three through five once revenues were stable. My point was, I have viewed team budgets, and a league budget from the WBL and none of the leases exceeded $75k. I hope i am wrong!

I was in no way trying to place negativity on the GBL, just to state the facts and numbers..

Thanks for the reply!

marlthom
03-01-2005, 12:27 PM
>Keep in mind, this doesnt include the $75k-100k each member of the corporate staff are making ($450k lets say at 6 employees).

A typical salary for a minor league front office member is between $18K to $30 per year plus commission and bonus. A general manager may make close to $50, but only in Double A or higher.

Slider#45
03-01-2005, 04:51 PM
this is a rerun.......i already read this story...it is the exact same thing that led to the demise of the Southeastern League 3 years ago. All of the hoopla and things looked great like a "juiced" baseball until it started unraveling at the seams. 1st year came a full schedule with 10 teams with less than expected attendance (but pretty good talent) then into the 2nd year came same teams and within the year 2 dropped out and 2 became traveling teams only. final word........total collapse. it was sickening to watch, considering how much we wanted it to suceed.

skippy
03-01-2005, 05:16 PM
Um, the salaries levels he posted are correct.

The GBL was offering exorbitant salaries to any one with any baseball experience, because these two guys have none.

Also, with the exception of the Northern League, and some of the idiots in the Frontier League....50 grand leases are too expensive for the indy leagues.

The GBL will fold within 3 years.

Glorydays
03-01-2005, 08:11 PM
You are correct that each team level salaries are between $18k-$30k with the GM of a A ball teams making $42-$50 and AA $55-70k. I agree with that! What i was stating was that each member of the corporate office of the GBL was making at least $75k. Not Team Level, Corporate Level. this is above and beyond what the team level people are making. They just posted a marketing director job for the league level paying $75k base. Which means that the COO and CEO have to be pulling in more than that! I was being conservative and if you look at how many they have on staff in that corporate office alone you will see what i mean. For example, the Cal league has what 3 full time staffers. Joe G. pulls a small salary if anything, and his assistant pulls no more than $36k and the other staffer is usually an intern. What they have done is paid at the league level where knowone else has ever done that. Miles Wolff and Dan Moushon have ownership interests in both indy and affiliate leagues, so they make their money through ownership and I am sure they get a small stippened to run the league. But the GBL pays all of their people top dollar. In the case of the GBL Marlthom, the GM was making $50k, the AGM's (2) were each making $40k base, the Dir. of tickets, PR and Groups were making $22,500 and they would also hire a exec assistant for $24k. Those were posted on their job opening pages early in their campaign.

As for the lease issues, they are correct, indy ball uses the facility for only 4 1/2-5 months at most, and $50k is or should be a cap on lease. Now this is not league dues (which are generally @$36-40k/annually. All of this knowledge should have been in any business plan.

Now, if they agreed to do major improvements to the facilities as part of their deal there, then thats a different issue and honestly one that wasnt done with wisdom. Wait until years three and beyond when you need expansion possibilities (assuming you are taking over an existing college facility) when you have the power and finances to do so.

Good comments though guys!

marlthom
03-02-2005, 09:47 AM
With these salaries, the league is in trouble from the start.

I've worked in minor league sports for over ten years now and have not heard of anyone hitting that income level without the benefit of commissions and bonuses.

Maybe I should've sent my resume...

Brockton Guy
03-02-2005, 10:47 AM
From what everyone is saying, how is it not obvious to people taking these high paying jobs that the league can't support these salaries from the get go? Are they planning to make their money and move on if the league folds or are they truly sold on the fact that the league will succeed?

As far as the lease amounts, woudn't the amounts you gys are quoting assume that franchises have no year-round operations and no need for offices in the off season. Here in Brockton, MA the team has a 20 yr lease and is paying $125,000 per year, which I tought was pretty inexpensive.

skippy
03-02-2005, 11:35 AM
The Brockton lease is for a brand spanking new ballpark.

The Rox are a successful organization.

Most of these teams/cities have failed previously in these towns in either the CaL or WBL.

Also, I agree that the front office staffs knew that they were being overpaid, but are taking the money and waiting for the fold.

marlthom
03-02-2005, 12:21 PM
Can you give us a GBL team by team update/breakdown on status and front office changes?

Glorydays
03-03-2005, 07:08 PM
I don't have enough inside info on the league to let you know exactly whats going in at each team.

Tiajuana is done. There was no way they were going to share their revenue with the league, when they draw more than most AAA teams do.

Long Beach's GM is out!
AGM Sales and Marketing may be out too!
Fullerton's GM left in Janaury, but they filled that already.

The ridiculous thing about this league, and I think we all hit it on the head is that, most of us that worked in minor league baseball started in our first years making $18,000 at most plus commission. After a few years or depending on league (cal league pays more because of cost of living) we may have made $24,500 base after 5-6 years.

The GBL paid each GM $50K plus bonuses, no commissions. As we all know thats a generous A Ball GM salary in affiliated ball.
They are also paying their AGM's Sales/Marketing and Operations a wage of $40k, no commissions, but bonuses. As we know most AGM's dont get commission anyways, but to get beyond $36k base is generous.

As it sounds like, all of you who have replied have been in the game and understand, in Brockton's case, what it takes to build the new franchise with a new stadium and the revenue that can be made from a new venture. the problem here is that all of the franchises in the GBL are going in to college facilities with no suites, hardly any group areas, and capacities of 3,000 seats to 5,000 seats. So they have to rely heavily on season ticket sales, in which i have heard they havent sold more than 100 in any market aside of chico. The deal that Brockton has i think is fair ($125k) because you do have onsite offices, and you have the chance to use the facilities for other events such as concerts off season. So offseason revenue can be generated. The GBL teams all have offsite office space.

As we know in most cases, when starting a brand new franchise the team or ownership will go into the town early and they must reach a predetermined amount of season ticket sales to bring the franchise in to the town. Usually 1,500 is a base of ticket holders that at least at the A ball level will allow a strong base of business.

The other thing I heard which is ridiculous is that they are trying to pitch large deals between $50-$70k as "founding partnerships" which is great in theory if you are an affiliated team in a new market and the only game in town. They wont let their people sell $7-$10k deals, which we all know are the bread and butter of every team. So not only are they behind the eight ball on sponsorship revenue but ticket revenue is non-existant. There is no way you can walk into a Los Angeles market team like Long Beach and expect people to spend that kind of revenue in year one. Most sponsors, esepcially those that were burned in the past to prove that you will be staying there for years to come. Also the GBL wont be drawing 300,000 in attendance. If they are lucky they will draw 65,000.

Affiliated ownership groups such as Mandalay teams offer their "Play Ball" title sponsorships at $50-$100k, but like Rancho Cucamonga (300,000), Dayton (600,000) and Frisco (550,000) they have the attendance to ask for these types of dollars.

If i was going to start a team or league, it would be done in a way that i stated in my first post. Due diligence. Proper market study and I would go into new markets that are starving for baseball, not markets that have been burned before.

kahunakats
03-10-2005, 03:01 PM
As a former owner and GM of an independent ballclub in Arizona, I find it almost staggering that the Surprise ballclub has no official team name only 80 days from their opener. They also have had no newspaper coverage in Phoenix and nobody in the West Valley know they exist. There are some front office people getting VERY well-paid that haven't done the job yet (unless they announce next week that they have signed both Jose AND Ozzie Canseco to minor league contracts!).