Vets camp

[basketball facts]

When does the vets camp start for the PBL? When do players report? How long does it last?

[CHris902]

Vermont, Quebec and Halifax all start training camp on Monday if that's what you mean.

Manchester started last Monday.

[tbayz1]

Buffalo started last week as well. Final roster should be complete around Dec. 1st

[basketball facts]

So, I take it all the teams start at different times? There is not one set time that teams must open camps? Do teams ahev to run vets camps or can you just start the season? Usually, all the teams start on the same day, end the same day and then start the season. But that is not the case here?

[misenern]

The earliest teams are allowed to begin their training camps is Nov. 15th.

[tbayz1]

The earliest teams are allowed to begin their training camps is Nov. 15th.

The Millrats GM stated that on the Frost Heaves board too. That is correct.

[CHris902]

So, I take it all the teams start at different times? There is not one set time that teams must open camps? Do teams ahev to run vets camps or can you just start the season? Usually, all the teams start on the same day, end the same day and then start the season. But that is not the case here?

You're going somewhere with this. Just jump to the chase.

[Patroons1]

How can a league (teams) afford to start training camps 7 weeks before a 10 home game, 14 week season starts? The math don't add champs unless the players volunteer and the league owns apartment buildings

[CHris902]

Most teams aren't starting until 4 weeks before the season, most with pre-season games happening within two or three weeks.

Funnily enough - Manchester, the first team to start, have their players living in a mansion owned by the majority owner of the team.

[LightningMan]

IIRC, the Northeast teams are starting early because they're playing a set of tournament games against each other before the regular season. Halifax wanted more home dates than the PBL does, so this early tourney works well for them.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

So, I take it all the teams start at different times? There is not one set time that teams must open camps? Do teams ahev to run vets camps or can you just start the season? Usually, all the teams start on the same day, end the same day and then start the season. But that is not the case here?

Interesting point for those immune to PBL Kool-Aid.

You're going somewhere with this. Just jump to the chase.

No one asked me, but I haven't posted in awhile so I'll take a stab at it. Once upon a time before the Dakotas and Idaho split for the D-League, there was a premier basketball league (not just in name) called the CBA. Training camps began on a certain day and ended on a certain day. Why? The playing field was kept level among well-funded teams and not so well-funded teams, in theory. What do we have now? Some teams are playing in tournaments while other teams like Mid-Michigan are still ironing-out their high school gym contracts. A clear advantage goes to the better funded organizations that have been working together as a team longer. I would expect this sort of imbalance and disorganization from the IBL, not from a league that claims to be premier.

...actually, I DO expect this from the PBL.

[CHris902]

I agree that the league needs to clean up its weaker teams. Right now I think there is going to be a huge disparity between the top 3rd and the bottom 3rd. The ideal situation would be for the CBA and PBL to merge, or at least for the top teams in the PBL to be in the same league as the 4 functioning CBA teams to create a clear AA league behind the D-League.

As it stands though I think that this is a fine situation - there is a date when teams can start so no one gains a huge advantage but it lets local ownership groups make their own decisions. It isn't ideal, but I don't think it's the end of the world, either.

[LightningMan]

I'm with Chris. This is a non problem being made into a problem.

[basketball facts]

Wow testy. I just asked a question and people take everything so personally. But the NBA, D League and Cba all start on one day. The ABA and the PBL have each team start when they want. I am not saying which is right or wrong, I was just asking.

[preeths]

Starting camps on different days is not at all uncommon in minor league sports.

[LightningMan]

Wow testy. I just asked a question and people take everything so personally. But the NBA, D League and CBA all start on one day. The ABA and the PBL have each team start when they want. I am not saying which is right or wrong, I was just asking.
Bullcrap. You're mischaracterizing what is happening here, which is that some of the teams are playing pre-season games earlier and more frequently than others. Not every MLB team plays the same number of pre-season games and to make this an issue is silly.

The PBL regular season starts in January on the second. And someone with the name "basketball facts" should know that. Perhaps you should change your name to "basketball bullcrap".

[not so fast]

Well with some teams paying a decent salary and some paying next to nothing, that certainly is a issue. And it seems to me the league would be better run if there was more unity in terms of what they do and how they do it. It appears to be chaotic with so many things going in so many different directions at once.

And how come certain people are allowed to personally attack others just because they disagree with you? I mean lighnting man, you guys are over the top in your defense of the pbl, I mean relax, this is called free speech. basketball facts points are good questions, and something the league ought to address at some point.

But it is interesting how some are allowed to name call and others here get banned. Democracy on these boards? Apparently not!

[CHris902]

Yeah - LM, chill.

I am not angry but I just hate it when people dance around issues instead of just saying what they have a problem with. Facts knew what the answer was to his question so it is a waste of time to ask a rhetorical question to set up your criticism of the league. Just be critical.

[not so fast]

well if you critizice this sacred pbl, you treated like bin laden. I mean i can't blame basketball facts for not coming right out with what he meant. There are some highly sensitive people on the boards here when it comes to the pbl. Well thy might want to grow up and let their be difference of opinion. I think thats what the founding fathers of the country had plenty of, differences, but they talked it out, sometimes fought it out, but they were allowed to voice their opinion!

[preeths]

Let's get back on topic. The perceived sensitivity of some posters has no bearing on the topic at hand.

[a1sports]

They could start July 4th or one week before the season for training camp, it makes NO difference, its the minor leagues.

AHL...90% of those on the pre -season roster are not there on opening day.

AAA baseball.... 40% on pre-season roster on not there on opening day.

ETC ETC ETC

Uniformity on a starting date really has no importance, if your teams stinks..it stinks...

MINOR leagues thats how it works.

PS>>> D-league team owners screaming at league meeting about increase in operation costs this year.

It isnt going to be easy for any minor league in these economic times

[not so fast]

no it may not, except for the communist style of shouting down opposing views. This is what should be addressed. I don't care how much i think someone is wrong in their opinion, i am not going to try and shout them down. I know I have the ability to articulate my opinion, that hopefully will win the argument. But I dont try and stop the opposing opinion from being heard.

With all due respect preeth, when you thought I was insulting someone (which I did not do) you banned me from speaking. But when it is obvious that lightning man (and others ) insult people in a personal way, you say just move on. It would serve you to be more consistent, it would be more credible.

I have been posting on this message board for almost six years. I might have some idea what is over the line.
I have followed minor league basketball for 15 years. I also was a big supporter of the pbl from its onset. I was a big supporter of the CBA at one time as well. But when things were not right, I felt I had the right to voice my opinion here and have done so. And my criticsm with the cba was a lot harsher than of the pbl, but never was I met with such attempts of
censorship like is done on this pbl forum. PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE, AND NOT BE SHOUTED DOWN. I may not be barak obama, but i can get my points ascross in a civil way.

So maybe some of you need to do some self evaluation!

[misenern]

Keep fighting the good fight. You are a true American hero.

[ABA Champs times 2]

Oh No! a1sports is now going to terrorize the PBL discussion board. I thought that he was restricted only to the ABA board.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

I'm with Chris. This is a non problem being made into a problem.

You may see it as a problem when teams with little or no training camp blow into town and get blown-out by 46 points every night to the well-oiled machine type of teams. Those games aren't the most entertaining. I've witnessed a few.

They could start July 4th or one week before the season for training camp, it makes NO difference, its the minor leagues.

AHL...90% of those on the pre -season roster are not there on opening day.

AAA baseball.... 40% on pre-season roster on not there on opening day.

ETC ETC ETC

Uniformity on a starting date really has no importance, if your teams stinks..it stinks...

MINOR leagues thats how it works.

PS>>> D-league team owners screaming at league meeting about increase in operation costs this year.

It isnt going to be easy for any minor league in these economic times

If these numbers are correct (and I have no reason to doubt you), then 90% of AHL pre-season rosters and 40% of AAA are not the same opening day rosters because coaching staffs took advantage of training camps to tweak their line-ups. You unknowingly proved my point. When a pre-season is willy-nilly like the PBL's pre-season, then some teams are going to be short-changed in the tweaking department. BTW, how IS Battle Creek doing this pre-season??? Those guys came to Gary, lost by 46 (and the game really wasn't THAT close), and didn't get their line-up straight until the playoffs.

Uniform starting and ending dates are universal concepts for amateur and professional sports alike.

[Juniper]

I talked with someone up the Michigan way, and they said Battle Creek is putting together a nice team. I understood they had a couple of Gary players in camp. They also said Coleco Buie from Elkhart is on the team as well as one of the shooters from Holland. Rashi Johnson form Michigan State is also back. He has really turned into a very good player. They also have a big fella from Texas that is solid. They drafed Langhorne and Cleveland that are very good players. Looks like they are headed in the right direction.

[LightningMan]

I have followed minor league basketball for 15 years. I also was a big supporter of the PBL from its onset. I was a big supporter of the CBA at one time as well. But when things were not right, I felt I had the right to voice my opinion here and have done so. And my criticism with the CBA was a lot harsher than of the PBL, but never was I met with such attempts of censorship like is done on this PBL forum. PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE, AND NOT BE SHOUTED DOWN.
I'm glad that you agree that people have the right to disagree. So then you support my being able to say that the kvetching and fretting about some teams starting their preseason earlier than others is a phony issue and borrowing trouble where there is none.

You single me out by name as some sort of bully and shouting people down. It's really amazing that I can shout anyone down on a board where people may post what they like and I am not an administrator. I can't stop you, or anyone, from posting anything here.

As to censorship, let me remind you that your posts are right here for everyone and God to read. You haven't been censored. It really is amazing sometimes that when someone is challenged in their opinion they equate that with being censored or silenced.

Just as you have the right to disagree with me, I have the right to disagree with you and anyone else. You getting to speak your piece means I get to speak mine.

[LightningMan]

You may see it as a problem when teams with little or no training camp blow into town and get blown-out by 46 points every night to the well-oiled machine type of teams. Those games aren't the most entertaining. I've witnessed a few.
As long as it isn't my team getting blown out, I really won't care.

Uniform starting and ending dates are universal concepts for amateur and professional sports alike.
And since there is a date before which no team can start pre-season activity, a date when the regular season starts, and a date where the regular season ends, this universal concept is being followed here.

Again, this is a non-issue. The crappiness of the websites is much more of a worry, and that is solely from a media relations standpoint.

[preeths]

no it may not, except for the communist style of shouting down opposing views. This is what should be addressed. I don't care how much i think someone is wrong in their opinion, i am not going to try and shout them down. I know I have the ability to articulate my opinion, that hopefully will win the argument. But I dont try and stop the opposing opinion from being heard.

No, the true communist style is to arrest, beat or kill the opposition. They have no need for shouting. No one here is shouting, either. There are just some who don't agree with you

With all due respect preeth, when you thought I was insulting someone (which I did not do) you banned me from speaking. But when it is obvious that lightning man (and others ) insult people in a personal way, you say just move on. It would serve you to be more consistent, it would be more credible.

I have been posting on this message board for almost six years. I might have some idea what is over the line.

You can email or PM me with any questions about board moderation. It is not on topic for this thread. I will not repeat myself.