Five teams join IFL

[preeths]

Five teams have joined the IFL. The release is now up on the front page of OSC.

[rams80]

Hooray headache franchises!

[Indoorfootballguy]

Well, looks like the CIFL will be losing four teams

[preeths]

I've been told to expect another expansion release from the IFL, possibly yet today.

[Freedom]

17 + 5 = 23?

Who is the 23rd team in the IFL?

[Indoorfootballguy]

They should not have let in Saginaw and Muskegon, they should have tried to get the Slaughter.

[chardale]

They should not have let in Saginaw and Muskegon, they should have tried to get the Slaughter. Well the slaughter had the chance to do what the other did and chose not too. They want to resurect the (Chicago Indoor Football League), but hey may be there yet by the time all is said and done. Just 10 more days till we find out or they will be playing with themselves or by themselves. Now all we have to do is wait,,, tried to get a great steak, PAUL but couldn't find one,,,,LMAO

[phydeaux72]

17 + 5 = 23?

Who is the 23rd team in the IFL?

El Paso, Texas

[Bruiser]

IFL is now just one letter away from ...
nIFL part deux. Pull up a chair and
get ready for some fun. Folks just
love watchin a train wreck...
Uncle Jer must be thrilled.

[exit322]

I am absolutely shocked they took Muskegon and Saginaw, two teams that couldn't even meet relatively meager CIFL obligations (safe bet is to double your budget when you go CIFL to IFL, which is in part due to a seventh home and away game).

[chardale]

I am absolutely shocked they took Muskegon and Saginaw, two teams that couldn't even meet relatively meager CIFL obligations (safe bet is to double your budget when you go CIFL to IFL, which is in part due to a seventh home and away game). Exit, you seem to have a passion for the indoor football game but I am confused at you, that you dont seem to know what is going on there in Sag and Muskegan, have you seen their ops budget or game plan. Do you know if they didn't make rent or player payrole. Remember you were FIRED from J and E when you tried to help the other owners escape the CIFL and do the right thing. Now you bash them for up and going to a better situation, what gives? Were they going to be able to AFFORD the simple things in your league? If your are mad cause you are not working for the Browns or whatever, get off those 2 teams, they have done nothing to you or the CIFL, paid the due's and their bills and now want to leave. It's their right to.. They think they will be better suited to at least have a vote on league matters and not worry about what those 2 other guys want them to do, corporate sponsorship that is devided = and knowing that every team in the league will finish the season. Also dont have to worry about any one dipping their hands into the Kitty and asking for cash calls when that one person is taking it out. They are in the Best league out there and now the biggest, with the A2 teams droping like fly's.. 10 more days till the dagger, I wonder what Chicago is going to do then. I'll tell you what they are going to do. They are going to go crawling with their hat in their hand wanting to play, or they wont play at all. have a Great CIFL day! :cool:

[Indoorfootballguy]

Does this "dagger" involve more CIFL teams?

Right now, I think the IFL may not do well, because it looks like they are just trying to destroy the other leagues and not do whats best for there league

[exit322]

Exit, you seem to have a passion for the indoor football game but I am confused at you, that you dont seem to know what is going on there in Sag and Muskegan, have you seen their ops budget or game plan. Do you know if they didn't make rent or player payrole. Remember you were FIRED from J and E when you tried to help the other owners escape the CIFL and do the right thing. Now you bash them for up and going to a better situation, what gives? Were they going to be able to AFFORD the simple things in your league? If your are mad cause you are not working for the Browns or whatever, get off those 2 teams, they have done nothing to you or the CIFL, paid the due's and their bills and now want to leave. It's their right to.. They think they will be better suited to at least have a vote on league matters and not worry about what those 2 other guys want them to do, corporate sponsorship that is devided = and knowing that every team in the league will finish the season. Also dont have to worry about any one dipping their hands into the Kitty and asking for cash calls when that one person is taking it out. They are in the Best league out there and now the biggest, with the A2 teams droping like fly's.. 10 more days till the dagger, I wonder what Chicago is going to do then. I'll tell you what they are going to do. They are going to go crawling with their hat in their hand wanting to play, or they wont play at all. have a Great CIFL day! :cool:

I see one team (Muskegon) that skirted by on the thinnest of budgets this past year.

I see another team (Saginaw) with two-thirds of the ownership group that's always been there that didn't pay players the second half of the season.

The IFL took two organizations that have only proven they really couldn't cut it in the CIFL. Color me unimpressed.

[preeths]

I am absolutely shocked they took Muskegon and Saginaw, two teams that couldn't even meet relatively meager CIFL obligations (safe bet is to double your budget when you go CIFL to IFL, which is in part due to a seventh home and away game).

Ignoring Muskegon and Saginaw for the moment, how would you double your budget? A couple extra games shouldn't matter nearly that much.

[chardale]

Ignoring Muskegon and Saginaw for the moment, how would you double your budget? A couple extra games shouldn't matter nearly that much. Why, thats because Exit is PR guy. Not a Football guy or operational budget kind of guy. If he was he would know adding 2 games might raise thier budget,,,,,,,$ 12 to 14K . depending if they are home games. = positive cash flow vs away games. He still didn't answer the question,Why would he want them to leave the CIFL for his start up league and make it and not the IFL? They presented thier paper work and pitch to the IFL owners and they voted yes, but I guess Exit knows more than those people do, huh. They didnt do any back ground check or look into any of those things. Just because you have a CIFL tattoo on 1 arm and another of Jand E on the other doesnt mean you have to assume you know what is going there. And that news paper artical from Mich from yesterday quoted Mike Johnson as saying " It's news to me that the 2 others were in Omaha for league meeting IS A LIE. Mike Johnson called me last trying to bird dog info for thre bananna man and he knew. He also called another person wanting to know why Kalamazoo was not invited. Those teams that left the CIFL did so on thier own, So he knew what was going on. Face it (the end is coming) :infun:

[blanketman]

Actual truth about the league. For the first time there was a screening process for new applicants. These teams are excepted with credit line clauses and financials that must be in place asap . It was the ownership groups that have placed extremely sizable letters of credit qualifications on all teams for the ifl;furthermore, if these teams dont,including myself, qualify for the letters of credit ,they are not in the league. The cifl teams that can hurdle these financial obligations will be accepted into this league. Now, you know the truth and only the truth . bravo to the ifl. It was a great start.

[daytonadan]

Why, thats because Exit is PR guy.

Don't even go there, John. PR people know their stuff.

[Minor League Man]

Maryland has officially announced its team name; they will be the:

MARYLAND MANIACS

http://www.marylandmaniacs.com/

[chardale]

Don't even go there, John. PR people know their stuff. yea, some do, like yourself, but to make the statement that they will have to double thier budget to join the IFL is a crock, coming from him, that has never even put a budget together, payroll, travel, rent, merchandise, all the cost that goes into making a team work. He has no clue what they do or what it takes to run that franchise( Muskeegan). Except what his cult leader tells him. There are going to be things that have to be done, but I am willing to bet thay are greatfull to be a part of something special that has goals and a vision. And that vision is to be around a long time and to make money for the teams and owners that actually do some work. Not lay back and have owners put money into the pockets of lets say 2 guys who own a league and think it's thier right to make money off of other people just because THEY make the rules. Those days are over with. What you have now is some of the best owners out there who have something vested in this league and want to do the things they see fit and best for thier team and fans. After all thay are the one's paying the bills. Not the other way around. :D

[Caballo Diablo]

Uncle Jer must be thrilled.
:o:o:o:o
**********

[Bruiser]

Actual truth about the league. For the first time there was a screening process for new applicants. These teams are excepted with credit line clauses and financials that must be in place asap . It was the ownership groups that have placed extremely sizable letters of credit qualifications on all teams for the ifl;furthermore, if these teams dont,including myself, qualify for the letters of credit ,they are not in the league. The cifl teams that can hurdle these financial obligations will be accepted into this league. Now, you know the truth and only the truth . bravo to the ifl. It was a great start.
So this is much ado about nada Bob?
All these CIFL teams were simply INVITED to join from
what I read. Now comes the hard part. Actually
showing the cash is available to complete a full season.
You know you and JD are the only ones that can
pony up that "sizeable LOC". Or are you going to
front those other teams in the East the dough so
you and DePaul don't have to play each other
4 or 5 times a year ? And if you guys do cover for them
financially, then what's so different about you throwing
good money after bad in the IFL instead of the CIFL?
Seems to me 2009 will simply show that history repeats itself
and we'll be reading about DePaul vs. IFL in some circuit court
documents filed during the autumn of 2009.

[Bruiser]

:o:o:o
**********
What's cookin' Devil Ass.. err, Mule.. uh, I mean Horse.
(sorry, my Spanish is horrendous) ;)

[exit322]

Ignoring Muskegon and Saginaw for the moment, how would you double your budget? A couple extra games shouldn't matter nearly that much.

The IFL has these things called "standards" as to how teams are supposed to operate. The UIF and IFL both enforced these standards...and generally to do things the way they're supposed to be done, it costs money. This isn't limited to things like player salaries (where I imagine the $200 across the board limit will be enforced), but to the quality of uniforms and turf that teams use.

The CIFL doesn't have these "standards." Certainly they should, but they don't. What ones they have haven't ever been enforced (causing the issue of teams looking for what they think are greener pastures).

[blanketman]

Exit , the budget for the cifl and ifl are within 40k for the raiders. Remember though,we have always paid our bills and then some lol.The standards you may be referring to is accounts payable responsiblity.No we will not be responsible for any team other than ours.

[exit322]

Exit , the budget for the cifl and ifl are within 40k for the raiders. Remember though,we have always paid our bills and then some lol.The standards you may be referring to is accounts payable responsiblity.No we will not be responsible for any team other than ours.

For teams that do things somewhat professionally, the budget increase will be smaller.

For a team like Muskegon, I don't think they can float extra costs not only for players (I'm pretty sure they didn't pay everyone $200, which wasn't required in the CIFL but certainly will be in the IFL), but the extra game, much longer road trips since two Michigan teams, two Ohio teams, and an Indiana team aren't making the trip...the IFL has rules that they happen to enforce. The CIFL does not. Though Chester thinks I'm on someone's nuts, I'm certainly willing to make this statement that reflects quite poorly on the CIFL.

I hope I'm wrong. The IFL has shown they are the best shot we've got to stabilize this sport. I just don't think this first move on their part was a good one. In fact, I think it was highly questionable. If you really want an eastern footprint, you take the teams that have proven themselves professional. Right now, in the east here...there's four of those (I'm not counting Illinois; the IFL already had a presence there). Two of them went. Reading and Marion are still out there (though I like the new Baltimore people, and Erie's probably allright as well), but I don't see either of them making that move.

I'm still keen on the idea of an APFL-style league in this neck of the woods. It wouldn't cost much more than what the actual APFL does to be a twice-as-good product, and it'd be incredibly reasonable for most of these markets that just wouldn't fly in a league that requires a $200/game pay for players. Something like that might work. What we've seen out of so many markets thus far simply has not.

[Freedom]

Muskegon ownership reportedly didn't pay much of anything, travel is far worse, and we're talking about owners who are willing verbally abuse their customers to regain $11.00 footballs from the stands. If they actually pay their players, bills and dues, I can see their budget going up MORE than Exit's estimate.

I hope we do see a SOLID national indoor football league doing everything right. But one has to wonder about the first few teams selected. Some questionable ownership groups that greatly expanded the footprint of the league without helping existing teams. Teams already in place were from Alaska to Texas. The teams added yesterday stretched the league from Washington to New York. While expansion may not be complete, the IFL now has a larger footprint than AF2 with fewer teams and far less money.

As Brusier said . . . we're one letter away from NIFL Jr. if things don't go well. I hope that's not the case.

[chardale]

Muskegon ownership reportedly didn't pay much of anything, travel is far worse, and we're talking about owners who are willing verbally abuse their customers to regain $11.00 footballs from the stands. If they actually pay their players, bills and dues, I can see their budget going up MORE than Exit's estimate.

I hope we do see a SOLID national indoor football league doing everything right. But one has to wonder about the first few teams selected. Some questionable ownership groups that greatly expanded the footprint of the league without helping existing teams. Teams already in place were from Alaska to Texas. The teams added yesterday stretched the league from Washington to New York. While expansion may not be complete, the IFL now has a larger footprint than AF2 with fewer teams and far less money.

As Brusier said . . . we're one letter away from NIFL Jr. if things don't go well. I hope that's not the case. MUSKEGON, my bad,,,,,,(While expansion may not be complete, the IFL now has a larger footprint than AF2 with fewer teams and far less money) Fewer teams, have you read the release the past few days, teams droping like flie's from the Af2. How many teams do they have now. Teaxas holding's down to 5 teams = 24 total, losing Albany, Daytona Beach, word has it that Arkansas and 1 other are going black for the yr, Looks like IFL just passed them, And far less money? How long are these owners going to lose money. Same product as the AFL- minus the nets, cost 1/2 to run and a 1/4 to buy in. If you had the money where would you go? Word has it that Peoria just got a minority owner to put up 300,000K and no cash call till 2010. So at least they will be around 1 more yr

[Freedom]

Few more . . . few less, you miss the point. The IFL
just flung themselves down a path well traveled. So
far that path has only led to failure.

[banannaman]

So this is much ado about nada Bob?
All these CIFL teams were simply INVITED to join from
what I read. Now comes the hard part. Actually
showing the cash is available to complete a full season.
You know you and JD are the only ones that can
pony up that "sizeable LOC". Or are you going to
front those other teams in the East the dough so
you and DePaul don't have to play each other
4 or 5 times a year ? And if you guys do cover for them
financially, then what's so different about you throwing
good money after bad in the IFL instead of the CIFL?
Seems to me 2009 will simply show that history repeats itself
and we'll be reading about DePaul vs. IFL in some circuit court
documents filed during the autumn of 2009.

i will say this, if muskegon is in that league, then there wasnt a screening process at all. i cant wait to sit back and see all the egos at work, there will be an owner who thinks he is greater then everyone, and owner that will ***** and complain everyweek that his crappy team is getting shafted when in all reality that team will really suck and be filled with a bunch of pre madonnas. this ifl sounds real good and i cant wait for it to kick off, but anything that has chardale as the mouth piece is doomed from the get go.

[preeths]

The IFL has these things called "standards" as to how teams are supposed to operate. The UIF and IFL both enforced these standards...and generally to do things the way they're supposed to be done, it costs money. This isn't limited to things like player salaries (where I imagine the $200 across the board limit will be enforced), but to the quality of uniforms and turf that teams use.

The CIFL doesn't have these "standards." Certainly they should, but they don't. What ones they have haven't ever been enforced (causing the issue of teams looking for what they think are greener pastures).

Not all standards cost cash. You may have to prove you have the cash in some leagues, but it doesn't mean you necessarily have to spend it. To be sure, doing things correctly is more expensive, but I don't think it is nearly twice as expensive in most cases.

[chardale]

i will say this, if muskegon is in that league, then there wasnt a screening process at all. i cant wait to sit back and see all the egos at work, there will be an owner who thinks he is greater then everyone, and owner that will ***** and complain everyweek that his crappy team is getting shafted when in all reality that team will really suck and be filled with a bunch of pre madonnas. this ifl sounds real good and i cant wait for it to kick off, but anything that has chardale as the mouth piece is doomed from the get go.

Eric or co- owner of the CIFL or banannaman, Like your league, you dont know what you are talking about. Those nice people were good enough for your league but not the IFL? Dont be a hater. Just face it, they found a bigger and better run league from the league office down to the PR guy who doesn't have to drink the Kool Aid. And I did this on my own accord. Dont work for or is the mouth piece for any league or team. Do you remember the phone call we had about 2 weeks ago asking me why I was doing this and alot of the answers you gave regarding, lets sya Todd Ellis and MJ and a few others. Do you want me to address these things. I will but not on this forum. This is for the FANS and people dont have to worry about being kicked off, like your CIFL league boards because YOU( ERIC ) dont like what you hear. Or someone trying to give you advise. You dont have to like it but then you Ban them from your boards. Well that will soon be over and it will only hurt a little bit. So again I dont work for or am the mouth piece of anyone, I made the calls all by myself for the good of helping some of your ex owners, oh yea. oh yea, 10 or 12 more days. I really hope these owners that left can sleep now knowing they are in a pro run league. This is a quote from YOUR guy and now I can agree with him " The CIFL doesn't have these "standards." Certainly they should, but they don't. What ones they have haven't ever been enforced (causing the issue of teams looking for what they think are greener pastures). This again from Exit,,,amen brother and will leave it at that. :infun:

[exit322]

Not all standards cost cash. You may have to prove you have the cash in some leagues, but it doesn't mean you necessarily have to spend it. To be sure, doing things correctly is more expensive, but I don't think it is nearly twice as expensive in most cases.

I agree on both fronts. Muskegon just doesn't have it.

[chardale]

I agree on both fronts. Muskegon just doesn't have it.
Now your back drinking the KOOL AID,,,What do you know about those people, I would tell you to call Mr and Ms P but they wont waste their time. You have no IDEA what they presented at the meeting's but they were voted in so I guess you know all, and the IFL knows nothing, and to think just a little while ago you made sense. Grape flavored. :confused:

[exit322]

Unlike some people on here (like Mr. Grammar, for example), I'm not swayed by the opinions of people that give me information. I find both sides and use the information I have to see what I think is truly the case.

And Muskegon...which still owes CIFL league dues, by the way (because you keep ignoring that minor detail)...doesn't have the cash to do things properly in the CIFL. Regardless of what the budget increase is (and Muskegon's will be far higher than Rochester and Lehigh Valley because those two actually use something that resembles professionalism with their gameday product), Muskegon eked by on a lower budget. If the IFL is going to compete with the AF2 like you seem to think they should (idiotic move; the AF2's proven you shouldn't try to "compete with other leagues"), all of its teams will have to step it up.

From what I've seen and heard on both ends of the spectrum (I don't just get information from biased-one-way sources like some people), I do not think Muskegon or Saginaw are capable.

The Sting paid all their players yet?

[blanketman]

Exit why are you arguing a point that is irrelevant right now.The muskegon team along with Saginaw are in ONLY when, they have loc in order. Whats the point in this conversation with Chardale until official acceptance.Remember the word is "INVITED" in the press release.

[exit322]

Exit why are you arguing a point that is irrelevant right now.The muskegon team along with Saginaw are in ONLY when, they have loc in order. Whats the point in this conversation with Chardale until official acceptance.Remember the word is "INVITED" in the press release.

Right, invited to JOIN, not invited to APPLY. The IFL sent out a faulty press release if what you say is in fact true. This is absolutely not the implication sent out.

[blanketman]

The ifl has these teams in their league based on stipulations. Its a win /win scenario for them right now. If the teams get through these lofty hurdles then the league has the money to get through the season with these teams. If the teams dont get it done , then they can rescind their offer and look even better to the pundits.

[exit322]

If that's their goal, they already missed the mark. The better route would've been to have offered the conditional acceptance publicly. Then it can not be questioned "hey, we want these teams, but only if they're good."

All knocking them out after-the-fact like this (which I wouldn't disagree with doing for a second) would accomplish is second guessing of the IFL's legitimacy when it comes to these types of measures.

[coachrob6]

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3717862
http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3717863

[blanketman]

If that's their goal, they already missed the mark. The better route would've been to have offered the conditional acceptance publicly. Then it can not be questioned "hey, we want these teams, but only if they're good."

All knocking them out after-the-fact like this (which I wouldn't disagree with doing for a second) would accomplish is second guessing of the IFL's legitimacy when it comes to these types of measures. Come on you are slicing hairs here. They will be a good league. Right now the only sensible alternative is the aifa for leagues. The only reason we are choosing this league is based on "ownership owned league".The competition and Mandm were fine. I wouldnt hesitate to play in the aifa. They were excellent to the raiders;however,its not the direction we want to go.

[Minor League Man]

El Paso Generals have a starter page up:
http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/?u=elpasogenerals&s=football&t=c

"Allegiance Pro Sports, Inc." is listed above the team name...Just so ya know.