PA Pit Bulls

[cardinal]

Has anybody attended a Pennsylvania Pit Bulls Game yet? If so, did the team play well, and how big was the crowd? Thanks.

[hoopsjr]

i was at the opener, when the coach had the heartattack...the game is good---i like the high-paced game...

tickets were $12...the crowd was estimated at 850...i don't know how much corporate cash they have, but i hope it's alot...

[jdp932]

I run the scoreboard for the Pit Bulls at home games. Honestly, since that first game, the crowd has been a little shallow--about 250 people on average for the games. The ticket prices might be an issue, but for the action you get, it's not too bad.

[meyes]

I have developed a plan that, if used, will fill EVERY arena in the ABA with paying fans for every game by mid February. I am waiting to see if the league will use it.

[jdp932]

Change the name of the ABA to the NBA?

[Sam Hill]

I have developed a plan that, if used, will fill EVERY arena in the ABA with paying fans for every game by mid February. I am waiting to see if the league will use it.

You're out of your mind.

Completely and utterly out of your mind.

Unless this involves time travel and mass hypnosis, it's not going to happen.

Didn't you say once there were areas that if people didn't have the knowledge and experience required, they shouldn't talk? This is one for you.

Don't take it personally, though - there's no one alive who could do what you're saying. But even if it could be done, you wouldn't be able to do it.

[meyes]

Sam, You are right I can't do it--but the ABA can-if they use this system. If used, it will work. Sam, it doesn't matter whether you, personally, believe you can or can not do something. Either way, you are right. As for what I can or cannot do, or what anyone else can or cannot do, that is up to us.
And, Sam, I do have knowledge and experience, and more importantly, I am getting training from and working with many of the best marketers in North America every day. This is just a matter of applying the best marketing system ever devised in an area where it has never been systematically used.

[South Atlantic]

Here are some views from an outsider:

I assume that 'meyes' & 'sam hill' aren't the best of friends?

With that out of the way, I would be interested in reading this idea of yours. The one that would fill arenas with bodies?

I think that the ABA will be challenged next year for teams by a rival league. I think you will see a group of the 'stable' teams form an allegiance with a new league. Call it a hunch.

I also think that out of the 217 teams signed on for next year, many will break off due to recent foldings of Jacksonville and Chicago. It seems that so many see the iceberg and no chance of righting the ship.

I realize that Joe wants to give every woman, hispanic, indian or black person a team so that he hits this minority quota he has for himself. But if we are basing team's ability to be a draw on color of skin, the mission has failed. The people of minority backgrounds that are hired should be based on sound financial ground as well as a tad bit of knowledge of the business of basketball.

Is it not in the franchise agreement that you will be fined an undisclosed amount of money for no-shows? How about the league establishing and enforcing a mandatory letter of credit for each team?

I would recommend broadcasting live games over the internet before I tried sending a feed to other countries.

In other minor league hoops news...

The WBA appointed a new commissioner and is prepping for their second season. Talking with league officials and several team owners, the excitement is high.

I really think the WBA will be on stable ground within the next three years. So stable that they may become the premier summer league.

The USBL is celebrating 2005 with around 8 teams. The fact they charge $300,000 and teams fold left and right tell me they are all about the benjamins. They dont want you to succeed but rather fail so they can sell another franchise.

What should be upsetting to those folks is the league is losing teams that were considered 'stable' and exemplified what they wanted in a team. Cedar Rapids and Kansas both had things going well, except they werent able to recover their franchise fees. When you start 300k in the hole, good luck.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

I have developed a plan that, if used, will fill EVERY arena in the ABA with paying fans for every game by mid February. I am waiting to see if the league will use it.

Whoa! :shock:

I hope this plan is better than your plan to improve the quality of the Gwinnett Gwizzlies' press releases last summer...what exactly happened to them and their MLK Day match-up vs. Nashville (at the arena of Gwinnett) anyway?

Good thing you qualified your statement with "if used". That way, you can bail-out when your plan isn't used (again). :roll:

By the way, Alltel Arena in North Little Rock holds over 18,000 fans.

[Sam Hill]

Sam, You are right I can't do it--but the ABA can-if they use this system. If used, it will work. Sam, it doesn't matter whether you, personally, believe you can or can not do something. Either way, you are right. As for what I can or cannot do, or what anyone else can or cannot do, that is up to us.

Sandler: Hey man, I’m joining a religious cult.
Allen: Now, that’s ridiculous.
Sandler: Well, I’m joining it, so you gotta sign up too.
Allen: What are you talking about?
Sandler: Hey, don’t f*** me on this, man, just sign up.
Allen: No, I’m not going to join a cult!
Sandler: I can’t believe you’re pulling this sh** on me after Monday night.
Allen: What?
Sandler: -- I wanted to watch Monday Night Football and you wanted to watch that other show and we watched your show -- I did that for you!
Allen: Yeah, well, you kept flippin’ back to the game.
Sandler: I wanted to see the f***in’ score! Whadda you gotta do that’s so f***ing important you can’t join the religious cult with me?


And, Sam, I do have knowledge and experience, and more importantly, I am getting training from and working with many of the best marketers in North America every day. This is just a matter of applying the best marketing system ever devised in an area where it has never been systematically used.

Oh, God, Amway again.

Look, meyes - people need cleaning supplies and stuff. If you can come up with a way for them to get them easier and cheaper, it can work. You simply can't do multi-level marketing and fill ABA gyms with paying customers because it's a product that nobody needs and almost nobody cares about (and I'm sick to bloody death of hearing how "great" the fricking basketball is - look, you take any ten guys who played college basketball in the US and put them on the floor, it's going to be reasonably entertaining, so enough already, okay?).

Of all the minor league and niche sports, minor-league basketball has had the hardest time, historically (I think one reason is that college basketball is more readily available and is seen as a better product, putting it second behind the NBA). The ABA is f-ed up because they haven't even done the work that the CBA has done as far as making the investment in time and manpower to sell tickets because these people don't have any money and don't see the value in it.

These people don't look at the proven methods of selling tickets as something they should be bothering with - WTF makes you think they're going to take a flier on your idea?

[meyes]

Sam,
I am not with Amway and never have been. And I am not talking about a multi level plan here.
I am also well aware there is some discussion about some of the stronger ABA teams being the basis of another pro league. If current ABA management doesn't quickly begin effectively addressing their serious shortcomings, those teams will have no choice if they are to continue.

SouthAtlantic,
I don't know who "Sam" is in the real world so I can't have an opinion about him. The only "Sam" is know is the person who posts on this and several other boards I follow. While we often disagree, I find his posts to be well written, often clever, and generally well thought out. I respect him and appreciate his contributions. He is as entitled to his opinions at I am to mine.

[Sam Hill]

Here are some views from an outsider:

I assume that 'meyes' & 'sam hill' aren't the best of friends?


Never met him, but from what I read, I think he's a genuinely nice person who believes strongly in things and those are positive qualities. His opinions and my opinions are at odds, but I have nothing negative to say about him personally except that he seems to be a little naive.

I like meyes quite a bit more than, say, Mark McClure.